1 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:41,970 explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,730 --> 00:00:44,430 into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:47,740 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,130 --> 00:00:52,050 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,510 --> 00:00:55,140 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,380 --> 00:00:57,520 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:01,390 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:06,520 night now your electrifying hosts of 10 00:01:17,190 --> 00:01:09,640 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 11 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:17,200 team sports and it's another Thursday 12 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:20,430 night on ke cor and you are listening to 13 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:22,920 exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz 14 00:01:29,969 --> 00:01:26,110 hopefully Tim Beckley will be with us in 15 00:01:31,950 --> 00:01:29,979 a in a little while so unfortunately 16 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:31,960 you're not gonna hear get to hear our 17 00:01:38,340 --> 00:01:33,910 little monologue that that would usually 18 00:01:40,650 --> 00:01:38,350 like to do every Thursday night or maybe 19 00:01:43,139 --> 00:01:40,660 that's a blessing for some people I 20 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:43,149 don't know so instead we'll just get 21 00:01:49,190 --> 00:01:46,450 right into our our program because we 22 00:01:50,669 --> 00:01:49,200 have got some some really fantastic 23 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:50,679 guests tonight 24 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:53,410 we're going to talk about a number of 25 00:02:01,859 --> 00:01:56,910 different things from the Philadelphia 26 00:02:06,150 --> 00:02:01,869 experiments to ancient Giants to 27 00:02:08,580 --> 00:02:06,160 hopefully maybe even get into the the 28 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:08,590 Smokey God and Mount Shasta and the and 29 00:02:13,860 --> 00:02:11,590 the Inner Earth so let me just go right 30 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:13,870 to it here and introduced our guest 31 00:02:20,430 --> 00:02:17,319 tonight first of all we have Steffensen 32 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:20,440 Dhoni Stephan is a researcher author 33 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:22,810 filmmaker and from an early age he was 34 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:26,050 an avid reader and spent much of his 35 00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:27,610 time learning about American history 36 00:02:32,460 --> 00:02:30,400 ancient civilizations religions and 37 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:32,470 Greek mythology in his quest to uncover 38 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:34,480 ancient truths he came to the 39 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:36,790 realization that he was an old soul 40 00:02:41,790 --> 00:02:39,490 living in a new embodiment these are 41 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:41,800 just there are those who claim to 42 00:02:46,229 --> 00:02:44,080 predict the future and Stephan has been 43 00:02:48,780 --> 00:02:46,239 given the ability to see into the past 44 00:02:51,059 --> 00:02:48,790 present and the future by the guidance 45 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:51,069 of the fifth dimension his 46 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:53,650 worked includes the following Sidoti 47 00:02:59,280 --> 00:02:56,769 says I am I said the planet x-factor 48 00:03:02,550 --> 00:02:59,290 trailer-park temp agency 49 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:02,560 The Legend of JC Brown and his ebook 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:05,980 below the radar now also with this 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:10,090 tonight is Jason Jarrell and I think a 52 00:03:15,589 --> 00:03:12,730 Jason your wife Sarah farmer I hope 53 00:03:18,149 --> 00:03:15,599 she'll be with us tonight as well now 54 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:18,159 Jason and Sarah farmer investigative 55 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:25,299 historians and I'm gonna have trouble 56 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:28,200 pronouncing this Jason was that a 57 00:03:36,750 --> 00:03:34,780 vocational archaeologist yes they they 58 00:03:38,970 --> 00:03:36,760 study many subjects including depth 59 00:03:41,699 --> 00:03:38,980 psychology biblical history is political 60 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:41,709 science and comparative mythology now 61 00:03:46,409 --> 00:03:43,810 Jason is presented at conferences on 62 00:03:47,970 --> 00:03:46,419 ancient mysteries and appeared on the 63 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:47,980 show ancient aliens 64 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:50,169 Jason Sara of also co-written articles 65 00:03:56,490 --> 00:03:53,010 published by alternative perceptions 66 00:04:00,210 --> 00:03:56,500 ancient origins Road ruins and ancient 67 00:04:03,899 --> 00:04:00,220 American magazine and they are the 68 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:03,909 authors of the book ages of the Giants a 69 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:06,609 book utilizing genuine archaeological 70 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:09,609 reports and the records of American and 71 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:13,780 to antiquarians along the numerous 72 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:15,849 historical chronicles and press accounts 73 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:18,220 to document the true history of a 74 00:04:23,629 --> 00:04:21,060 distinct sub population of large 75 00:04:26,010 --> 00:04:23,639 powerfully built individuals of 76 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:26,020 extraordinary Heights who inhabited 77 00:04:31,219 --> 00:04:27,610 ancient north america for thousands of 78 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:31,229 years we call them giants so Jason and 79 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:33,250 Stefan thank you very much for being 80 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:35,820 with us tonight on exploring the bazaar 81 00:04:42,659 --> 00:04:40,570 thank you for having me all right Stefan 82 00:04:44,700 --> 00:04:42,669 why don't we let you go first because I 83 00:04:47,709 --> 00:04:44,710 know that 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:47,719 you would like to start the show off 85 00:04:53,579 --> 00:04:50,210 talking about the Philadelphia 86 00:04:56,230 --> 00:04:53,589 Experiment now and as you well know I 87 00:04:58,449 --> 00:04:56,240 will start talking about giants because 88 00:04:59,829 --> 00:04:58,459 I think that will make it more 89 00:05:01,959 --> 00:04:59,839 entertaining so I'm gonna start with 90 00:05:05,379 --> 00:05:01,969 Giants I hate the Philadelphia if I can 91 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:05,389 go for I'd say allied you know both the 92 00:05:10,449 --> 00:05:08,240 Philadelphia Experiment and Giants in 93 00:05:11,889 --> 00:05:10,459 earth mysteries we love all those 94 00:05:15,129 --> 00:05:11,899 subjects so go right ahead 95 00:05:16,779 --> 00:05:15,139 well the past the past is tied to the 96 00:05:18,670 --> 00:05:16,789 president and the president is tied to 97 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:18,680 the future it's all one so we will start 98 00:05:21,969 --> 00:05:19,849 with the past because if we can 99 00:05:23,829 --> 00:05:21,979 understand the past and we'll see where 100 00:05:26,799 --> 00:05:23,839 we're going I'll start by telling the 101 00:05:28,809 --> 00:05:26,809 listeners my name is Stefan Abrahamson 102 00:05:31,899 --> 00:05:28,819 donee I grew up in Williamsburg Brooklyn 103 00:05:33,850 --> 00:05:31,909 and which is in New York City in 104 00:05:36,219 --> 00:05:33,860 Brooklyn my mother was a Portuguese Jew 105 00:05:38,889 --> 00:05:36,229 who family migrated through England to 106 00:05:40,779 --> 00:05:38,899 Scotland my father's Italian and my 107 00:05:43,449 --> 00:05:40,789 grandmother of the time descent was born 108 00:05:45,699 --> 00:05:43,459 in Rome but the town called for me about 109 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:45,709 90 miles from Rome my grandfather was 110 00:05:50,139 --> 00:05:48,110 from Sicily a place called Milan so you 111 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:50,149 know Messina now my grandparents they 112 00:05:53,559 --> 00:05:51,769 didn't speak very much English so I had 113 00:05:55,449 --> 00:05:53,569 to learn Italian to converse with them 114 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:55,459 and it was pretty difficult for someone 115 00:06:00,339 --> 00:05:57,199 you know who's first language wasn't 116 00:06:02,889 --> 00:06:00,349 Italian but I grew up a Roman Catholic 117 00:06:04,719 --> 00:06:02,899 and my father he wasn't religious at all 118 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:04,729 there's a point to this story my mother 119 00:06:09,249 --> 00:06:06,769 who taught me scripture from the Old 120 00:06:11,649 --> 00:06:09,259 Testament and and later the King James 121 00:06:14,139 --> 00:06:11,659 Version of the Christian Bible told me a 122 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:14,149 lot of things about the Bible which my 123 00:06:18,369 --> 00:06:16,610 biggest interest of it was stories about 124 00:06:20,649 --> 00:06:18,379 giants in the Old Testament there were 125 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:20,659 at least eighty times in the Old 126 00:06:24,999 --> 00:06:22,550 Testament the Giants were mentioned so 127 00:06:26,649 --> 00:06:25,009 this piqued my interest one of the 128 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:26,659 earliest mention of giants could be 129 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:29,110 found in the book of Genesis chapter 14 130 00:06:34,299 --> 00:06:31,610 the people will call the amorite sign 131 00:06:36,670 --> 00:06:34,309 ever ranging in height from 6 foot to 30 132 00:06:38,889 --> 00:06:36,680 feet in height that's pretty tall for 133 00:06:40,899 --> 00:06:38,899 giants in those days the Giants was said 134 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:40,909 to be descendants of the biblical Noah 135 00:06:46,299 --> 00:06:42,800 of the flood coming through his 136 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:46,309 grandsons lineage Canaan and this can be 137 00:06:52,899 --> 00:06:50,990 found in Genesis 10 verse 15 or 16 the 138 00:06:54,459 --> 00:06:52,909 an Hakeem is probably something people 139 00:06:56,309 --> 00:06:54,469 are familiar with hearing they were 140 00:06:58,239 --> 00:06:56,319 perhaps the best-known of the Giants 141 00:07:00,099 --> 00:06:58,249 dwelling the land of Canaan 142 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:00,109 at the time of Exodus and this can be 143 00:07:05,049 --> 00:07:03,649 found in numbers 1333 and I promised 144 00:07:06,849 --> 00:07:05,059 this because I want anyone listening to 145 00:07:09,039 --> 00:07:06,859 be able to see that you know I covered 146 00:07:10,389 --> 00:07:09,049 things with facts because when you talk 147 00:07:11,799 --> 00:07:10,399 about religious things you want to be 148 00:07:13,479 --> 00:07:11,809 right because a lot of things people 149 00:07:15,579 --> 00:07:13,489 want to believe blindly saw 150 00:07:17,379 --> 00:07:15,589 I can't believe blindly I have to walk a 151 00:07:20,679 --> 00:07:17,389 fine line when it comes to fact and 152 00:07:22,149 --> 00:07:20,689 fiction the anti the amorite the Anakin 153 00:07:23,859 --> 00:07:22,159 and in netherland which is another one 154 00:07:26,289 --> 00:07:23,869 people might have heard one we'll all 155 00:07:27,849 --> 00:07:26,299 describe this Giants in the Bible the 156 00:07:30,159 --> 00:07:27,859 most renowned giant of all I can 157 00:07:32,229 --> 00:07:30,169 remember reading about was Goliath a 158 00:07:35,769 --> 00:07:32,239 Philistine that was slain by David 159 00:07:37,929 --> 00:07:35,779 collide was said to have stood 9 feet 9 160 00:07:40,539 --> 00:07:37,939 inches tall it was a big dude that we're 161 00:07:42,189 --> 00:07:40,549 talking about as I researched the Old 162 00:07:44,939 --> 00:07:42,199 Testament even more I found stories 163 00:07:49,539 --> 00:07:44,949 about the Giants in the book of Samuel 164 00:07:51,789 --> 00:07:49,549 chapter 16 verse 18 Samuel chapter 21 165 00:07:55,209 --> 00:07:51,799 verse 15 to 22 and even in chronicles 166 00:07:57,879 --> 00:07:55,219 chapter xxi 48 but after reading about 167 00:07:59,409 --> 00:07:57,889 the many accounts of giants and their 168 00:08:02,109 --> 00:07:59,419 interaction with the people in those 169 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:02,119 times I was more than curious about the 170 00:08:07,379 --> 00:08:04,969 origin of man one of the questions I had 171 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:07,389 was where did these giants come from 172 00:08:12,249 --> 00:08:09,799 another follow-up question I had was 173 00:08:14,919 --> 00:08:12,259 were these Giants business from another 174 00:08:17,289 --> 00:08:14,929 planet could the Giants be aliens and 175 00:08:21,329 --> 00:08:17,299 how many biblical accounts can be 176 00:08:24,309 --> 00:08:21,339 interpreted as UFOs or alien visitations 177 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:24,319 the answer was pretty interesting I came 178 00:08:29,739 --> 00:08:27,529 up with there were 10 accounts of aliens 179 00:08:33,009 --> 00:08:29,749 do you of all accounts we had Jacob's 180 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:33,019 Ladder the lines of Genesis the Exodus 181 00:08:39,309 --> 00:08:36,500 the ascension of Elijah the angels of 182 00:08:41,110 --> 00:08:39,319 Sodom and Gomorrha the sons of God which 183 00:08:43,719 --> 00:08:41,120 were the line of Seth and their 184 00:08:46,299 --> 00:08:43,729 interaction with humans Zachariah and 185 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:46,309 the flying scrolls which was a UFO 186 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:48,800 sighting parting of the Red Sea a 187 00:08:55,449 --> 00:08:52,160 phenomenal event Ezekiel's wheel which 188 00:08:57,910 --> 00:08:55,459 was the pictures of UFO and the birth of 189 00:09:01,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Christ where there were wise men who 190 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:01,250 were guided by a light I pretty much was 191 00:09:06,249 --> 00:09:02,689 convinced that the Bible was the 192 00:09:08,410 --> 00:09:06,259 greatest alien story ever written we 193 00:09:10,689 --> 00:09:08,420 would have to be naive to believe that 194 00:09:11,199 --> 00:09:10,699 we are the only intelligent life in the 195 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:11,209 universe 196 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:13,850 and so some of my earliest memories as a 197 00:09:20,859 --> 00:09:17,839 child were going to a movie here to 198 00:09:23,739 --> 00:09:20,869 watch Saturday's triple futures movies 199 00:09:26,350 --> 00:09:23,749 for example Gulliver's Travels Jack and 200 00:09:29,199 --> 00:09:26,360 the Beanstalk and Hercules and all the 201 00:09:31,809 --> 00:09:29,209 movies that I was influenced by were all 202 00:09:34,090 --> 00:09:31,819 about giants which I found kind of 203 00:09:38,499 --> 00:09:34,100 interesting some of my earliest memories 204 00:09:41,230 --> 00:09:38,509 of child were that it was around that 205 00:09:44,379 --> 00:09:41,240 time I discovered a camcorder a Kodak 206 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:44,389 camera and a 33 millimeter projector and 207 00:09:48,009 --> 00:09:45,920 I was about 12 years old I was 208 00:09:50,739 --> 00:09:48,019 determined to become a cinematographer 209 00:09:53,139 --> 00:09:50,749 and create my own documentaries to add 210 00:09:54,850 --> 00:09:53,149 to the great discovery I had all of the 211 00:09:58,239 --> 00:09:54,860 manuals for each of the electronic 212 00:10:01,059 --> 00:09:58,249 devices I would RTM the acronym for read 213 00:10:03,579 --> 00:10:01,069 the manual and teach myself singers and 214 00:10:07,049 --> 00:10:03,589 cinematography which became one of my 215 00:10:10,269 --> 00:10:07,059 greatest passions and so I did that 216 00:10:12,429 --> 00:10:10,279 little did I know that years later I 217 00:10:14,199 --> 00:10:12,439 would take a job in Florida for a large 218 00:10:16,929 --> 00:10:14,209 electronics retailer and become a video 219 00:10:18,819 --> 00:10:16,939 sales counselor and my area of expertise 220 00:10:21,489 --> 00:10:18,829 would become camcorders television and 221 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:21,499 video products it was a perfect job as 222 00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:23,480 someone who had a natural attraction to 223 00:10:28,449 --> 00:10:26,420 multimedia in a couple of short years I 224 00:10:30,850 --> 00:10:28,459 was producing television commercials and 225 00:10:33,189 --> 00:10:30,860 then later using my creative ability to 226 00:10:35,470 --> 00:10:33,199 create YouTube videos and creating 227 00:10:39,009 --> 00:10:35,480 personal websites moving the story along 228 00:10:41,289 --> 00:10:39,019 in 2007 I was on the internet looking 229 00:10:43,569 --> 00:10:41,299 for ideas for a screenplay that I had 230 00:10:46,269 --> 00:10:43,579 planned to write when they came across a 231 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:46,279 book written by Emily a frank many of 232 00:10:50,259 --> 00:10:48,049 the stories in this book featured Mount 233 00:10:51,850 --> 00:10:50,269 Shasta but those of you who are 234 00:10:53,619 --> 00:10:51,860 unfamiliar with Mount Shasta it is 235 00:10:56,650 --> 00:10:53,629 located in Northern California just 236 00:11:00,100 --> 00:10:56,660 north of ruddy California ISM Mound that 237 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:00,110 is over 14,000 feet high after reading 238 00:11:04,539 --> 00:11:01,850 The Legend of Jesse Brown I was 239 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:04,549 magnetized by the legend I then spent 240 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:06,410 three to six weeks in New York Public 241 00:11:10,539 --> 00:11:08,720 Library trying to run down the clues 242 00:11:12,939 --> 00:11:10,549 that I read in the book to solve the 243 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:12,949 legend and I had a hunch that proved 244 00:11:17,650 --> 00:11:15,049 correct I was able to discover the true 245 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:17,660 identity of the man of the legend and I 246 00:11:22,569 --> 00:11:20,540 figured out how it all came to be but it 247 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:22,579 was as well Jim I had first-hand 248 00:11:29,620 --> 00:11:24,780 knowledge of the life of JC Brown 249 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:29,630 alias john benjamin body mm-hmm-hmm 250 00:11:34,670 --> 00:11:31,920 continue continue I'm fascinated by this 251 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:34,680 well I spent three months following the 252 00:11:42,050 --> 00:11:38,970 clues in a new public library and I and 253 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:42,060 then I came a bull's-eye came across for 254 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:45,240 the chorus sings the Lord Cowdray and I 255 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:48,420 go hmm he really wasn't more casual his 256 00:11:54,050 --> 00:11:50,520 real name was for Wheaton and Pearson he 257 00:11:57,710 --> 00:11:54,060 was knighted in 1917 but in the legend 258 00:11:59,420 --> 00:11:57,720 that I read it said that you know he was 259 00:12:02,210 --> 00:11:59,430 more countering no mention of so wheat 260 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:02,220 my Pearson's eye contact did the 261 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:04,260 Stockton Police matter of fact this was 262 00:12:09,710 --> 00:12:07,470 in January actually it was April of 2008 263 00:12:12,650 --> 00:12:09,720 now and I contacted the Stockton Police 264 00:12:14,660 --> 00:12:12,660 Department and tell em I I could solve 265 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:14,670 the missing-persons report because in 266 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:19,590 1934 JC Brown is John Benjamin body came 267 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:22,410 to Stockton California claimed that he 268 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:25,380 had found a mysterious cave opening up 269 00:12:29,270 --> 00:12:26,880 in the Cascade Mountain Range we 270 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:29,280 discovered 27 skeletons six and a half 271 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:32,070 to ten feet tall and he wanted to enlist 272 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:33,839 people to come up to it with him up to 273 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:36,000 the Shasta area to be able to dig out 274 00:12:41,210 --> 00:12:39,030 the remains of some of these findings 275 00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:41,220 and then these people would get rich 276 00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:42,990 because of it and he would keep the 277 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:44,670 monies that he found in one cave that 278 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:48,720 were adjusted in a troll that appeared 279 00:12:51,410 --> 00:12:49,860 to be the king and queen of this 280 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:51,420 civilization which he believes to be 281 00:12:58,720 --> 00:12:55,530 Lemurian so on the morning of June 19th 282 00:13:01,820 --> 00:12:58,730 of 1934 80 people waited in vain 283 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:01,830 JC Brown to show up to take them off on 284 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:03,660 this expedition and the police were 285 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:06,000 called and people waited a vigil for 286 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:08,940 about 48 hours to see you know what 287 00:13:13,130 --> 00:13:10,530 happened to this man but no sight 288 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:13,140 nothing nothing of him had happened that 289 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:14,880 people knew he disappeared but you know 290 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:17,010 they feared foul play but nobody knew 291 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:18,780 anything so after reading the story I 292 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:21,300 became enthralled by him I said I'm 293 00:13:27,380 --> 00:13:24,210 gonna solve this legend and so solving 294 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:27,390 the legend is what I did I contacted 295 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:31,710 then the editor of the stock to record 296 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:35,370 newspaper who put me in touch with Mike 297 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:37,910 Fitzgerald and Mike Fitzgerald was very 298 00:13:43,270 --> 00:13:40,010 the story of The Legend of Jesse brown 299 00:13:44,830 --> 00:13:43,280 and after speaking Jeong he said how did 300 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:44,840 you get all this information I says well 301 00:13:49,810 --> 00:13:48,290 I only got excerpts of a book he says 302 00:13:52,690 --> 00:13:49,820 well you know much more than the book 303 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:52,700 even talked about so I didn't you know 304 00:13:56,950 --> 00:13:54,770 let him know exactly how I knew what I 305 00:13:59,020 --> 00:13:56,960 knew I well I got his confidence what he 306 00:14:02,080 --> 00:13:59,030 sent me a PDF file which I put up on my 307 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:02,090 Sindona second site of the actual 308 00:14:07,810 --> 00:14:04,040 stories that were put out in the paper 309 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:07,820 in 1934 the one with the initial article 310 00:14:13,930 --> 00:14:11,410 about him finding this this cave that 311 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:13,940 led under the bowels of our shaft or an 312 00:14:18,070 --> 00:14:15,710 individual where people waited you know 313 00:14:21,250 --> 00:14:18,080 June 19th we just mysteriously 314 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:21,260 disappeared so after doing all this I 315 00:14:25,450 --> 00:14:22,880 think I wanna coast to coast a couple 316 00:14:29,620 --> 00:14:25,460 times talking about it and I was 317 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:29,630 contacted then by a listener and a 318 00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:31,940 listener the Downton Jacomo 319 00:14:36,430 --> 00:14:35,180 appear Washington and we became friends 320 00:14:39,070 --> 00:14:36,440 and she said there's someone that I'd 321 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:39,080 like you to talk to he's a Native 322 00:14:45,790 --> 00:14:41,350 American and he has a lot to say about 323 00:14:48,730 --> 00:14:45,800 giants and the early origins of the 324 00:14:50,380 --> 00:14:48,740 native cultures so I was chomping at the 325 00:14:53,740 --> 00:14:50,390 bit you know to go out there you know 326 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:53,750 the west coast to meet this man so I was 327 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:55,730 introduced to the Native American elder 328 00:14:59,830 --> 00:14:57,770 and he was from the PL of the tribe I 329 00:15:02,140 --> 00:14:59,840 and I won't mention his name though 330 00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:02,150 because I would rather keep that 331 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:04,640 anonymous here today but I can share 332 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:06,050 with you some of the things that he told 333 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:08,110 me if you like oh yes definitely 334 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:11,540 ok so we we were taking a walk around 335 00:15:17,470 --> 00:15:14,270 the property my first bedroom and he 336 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:17,480 said to me that I was an old soul ok and 337 00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:19,450 he said behind you is saint-germain 338 00:15:25,510 --> 00:15:22,880 master Jesus and there was another 339 00:15:27,790 --> 00:15:25,520 gentleman that was with me and whose 340 00:15:29,770 --> 00:15:27,800 name I had never heard before I got 341 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:29,780 goose bumps on me he says you're not 342 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:32,390 alone he says I knew you were coming he 343 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:35,600 says I went into meditation and they 344 00:15:39,850 --> 00:15:37,010 said that you were coming I had to come 345 00:15:42,460 --> 00:15:39,860 here so he says I'm supposed to share my 346 00:15:45,310 --> 00:15:42,470 people's early history so I begin by 347 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:45,320 telling me that his tribe had been 348 00:15:49,870 --> 00:15:48,290 around for 40,000 years and they were 349 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:49,880 brought to earth from a distant planet 350 00:15:55,470 --> 00:15:52,110 in another solar system 351 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:55,480 so he said this ancestor stood between 8 352 00:16:00,660 --> 00:15:57,730 and 9 feet tall so here they were the 353 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:00,670 Giants and he referred to them as the 354 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:02,890 tall ones they were buckskin clothing 355 00:16:07,770 --> 00:16:05,170 and he even added that his grandfather 356 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:07,780 would see the tall ones as he referred 357 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:09,250 to them fishing in the Nisqually River 358 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:11,530 and this is near Olympia Washington 359 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:14,200 there he also told me that during the 360 00:16:18,690 --> 00:16:16,450 Ice Age and great flood at the ant 361 00:16:20,670 --> 00:16:18,700 people which were the greys took his 362 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:20,680 people on the ground to avoid death from 363 00:16:25,530 --> 00:16:23,410 the disastrous events so here it is I 364 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:25,540 have another tie into aliens there and 365 00:16:30,750 --> 00:16:28,360 giants and so I thought this was pretty 366 00:16:34,350 --> 00:16:30,760 interesting we became friends I was on a 367 00:16:35,790 --> 00:16:34,360 reservation a couple times and he talked 368 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:35,800 about being sent to a boarding school 369 00:16:39,810 --> 00:16:37,810 here the interesting thing to segue to 370 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:39,820 religion he said it was there was sent 371 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:41,230 to a boarding school to learn the ways 372 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:43,240 of the white man he said they were 373 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:45,430 punished severely if they spoke in their 374 00:16:48,330 --> 00:16:46,300 own language 375 00:16:50,070 --> 00:16:48,340 mhmmm he said the heads of many 376 00:16:52,410 --> 00:16:50,080 religious groups were brought in to 377 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:52,420 teach them religion they were told by 378 00:16:57,750 --> 00:16:55,180 the religious leaders we don't care what 379 00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,760 religion you choose but you have to 380 00:17:01,800 --> 00:16:59,680 choose one so they threw a lot of Bibles 381 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:01,810 at them so I kind of laughed at it and 382 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:05,110 then the elder added that so I asked him 383 00:17:09,810 --> 00:17:06,760 about you know how'd things go religion 384 00:17:11,699 --> 00:17:09,820 his response was we tried them all none 385 00:17:14,190 --> 00:17:11,709 of them worked 386 00:17:17,220 --> 00:17:14,200 I find it kind of just thing that yeah 387 00:17:19,949 --> 00:17:17,230 but this we became good friends and then 388 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:19,959 I was told it many of the administrators 389 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:22,450 on their reservations were descendants 390 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:23,920 of those who came over from the 391 00:17:28,260 --> 00:17:26,589 Mayflower so many of the people who 392 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:28,270 worked now on all these reservations 393 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:31,840 that's their tie-in you know to uh he's 394 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:33,820 incarcerated Native Americans they are 395 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:35,230 the original descendants from the 396 00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,850 Mayflower most people don't know that a 397 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:38,880 lot of streets that you drive around 398 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:41,620 near the reservations that the names of 399 00:17:45,030 --> 00:17:43,090 some of these trees or for some of these 400 00:17:46,890 --> 00:17:45,040 people that they're honoring for keeping 401 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:46,900 the America Native American prisoners on 402 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:49,870 their reservations believe it or not so 403 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:52,990 I've also been told and you can see them 404 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,250 when you go reservation because I've 405 00:17:58,410 --> 00:17:56,080 been on number reservations wherever you 406 00:18:00,240 --> 00:17:58,420 see a reservation you may see a federal 407 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:00,250 prison or a military base 408 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:02,410 similar to having the McDonald's next to 409 00:18:05,999 --> 00:18:03,970 a Burger King or Wendy's hamburger 410 00:18:10,210 --> 00:18:06,009 restaurant 411 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:10,220 so the observations but we became 412 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:13,849 friends in July of 2008 I was invited to 413 00:18:18,820 --> 00:18:16,369 a sweat lodge in Tacoma Washington now I 414 00:18:21,549 --> 00:18:18,830 never sweated before for the Native 415 00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:21,559 Americans and never didn't and that's 416 00:18:25,330 --> 00:18:24,559 sort of an environment so I accepted the 417 00:18:27,219 --> 00:18:25,340 invitation 418 00:18:28,570 --> 00:18:27,229 during the third round of my vision 419 00:18:31,509 --> 00:18:28,580 question this is what you'll find 420 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:31,519 interesting I had an encounter with an 421 00:18:38,619 --> 00:18:36,559 alien gray as I'm meditating the alien 422 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:38,629 gray is just scaring and be looking at 423 00:18:43,269 --> 00:18:41,450 me peering through me and I just had 424 00:18:45,219 --> 00:18:43,279 this feeling that I was being violated 425 00:18:48,339 --> 00:18:45,229 as I was being raped so to speak 426 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:48,349 mentally so I realized that these guys 427 00:18:51,969 --> 00:18:50,450 must be the biblical Watchers you know 428 00:18:53,499 --> 00:18:51,979 overseeing the planet and I thought 429 00:18:56,349 --> 00:18:53,509 about what my friend a Native American 430 00:18:58,570 --> 00:18:56,359 tell me about you know the ant people 431 00:19:01,479 --> 00:18:58,580 who are who took them in into the 432 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:01,489 mountain and what their role was in in 433 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:03,769 our civilization or Inara 434 00:19:11,529 --> 00:19:08,720 our stories so that was to me a wake-up 435 00:19:14,469 --> 00:19:11,539 call as to we're not the only people on 436 00:19:17,049 --> 00:19:14,479 this planet that occupy it and there are 437 00:19:19,719 --> 00:19:17,059 people that are watching over us believe 438 00:19:21,729 --> 00:19:19,729 it or not I mean it's like a magician 439 00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:21,739 sleight of hand now you see it not you 440 00:19:25,269 --> 00:19:23,840 don't and the people who do see it holy 441 00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,279 people says well I'll believe it when I 442 00:19:30,339 --> 00:19:27,679 see it okay fine but I'm here to tell 443 00:19:32,169 --> 00:19:30,349 you after taking my walk in their 444 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:32,179 moccasins I was a hundred percent 445 00:19:37,450 --> 00:19:35,080 convinced that you know I I was 446 00:19:41,349 --> 00:19:37,460 encountering an alien gray and this was 447 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:41,359 as I mentioned in 2008 in the same month 448 00:19:47,349 --> 00:19:44,570 with him I was invited to visit the a 449 00:19:50,229 --> 00:19:47,359 setting ranch in Trout Lake Washington 450 00:19:53,169 --> 00:19:50,239 this was ranches by james gilliland you 451 00:19:54,909 --> 00:19:53,179 might know who James is and sure show on 452 00:19:59,019 --> 00:19:54,919 the radio so I went over to the ranch 453 00:20:01,479 --> 00:19:59,029 and the first night I was there about 30 454 00:20:03,969 --> 00:20:01,489 people and we're sitting around in a 455 00:20:06,879 --> 00:20:03,979 circle and he's pointing an infrared 456 00:20:11,169 --> 00:20:06,889 light up in the sky it looked like I 457 00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:11,179 five over over his ranch was Institute 458 00:20:16,269 --> 00:20:13,460 electic highway with ships going back 459 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:16,279 and forth so he grabs his 460 00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:18,690 infrared device and he beams it out 461 00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:21,390 there at the sky and all of a sudden a 462 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:23,720 beam comes a light comes back you know 463 00:20:29,269 --> 00:20:27,630 acknowledging is his transmission I like 464 00:20:31,009 --> 00:20:29,279 blew me away looking up and he's beaming 465 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:31,019 up in somebody's beaming down like a 466 00:20:37,399 --> 00:20:35,010 star track scene so I find I was a real 467 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:37,409 wake-up call as to we're not alone when 468 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:40,200 I saw that it started to rain about an 469 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:41,760 hour and a half after that here's where 470 00:20:47,269 --> 00:20:44,700 it's interesting I went back to my tent 471 00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:47,279 and it was I when I went back to my tent 472 00:20:52,009 --> 00:20:49,799 I saw a figure hovering over my dead 473 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:52,019 tent gentleman at the figure was got 474 00:20:56,930 --> 00:20:55,289 about I was an 8 to 9 feet tall so I got 475 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:56,940 my flashlight real quick and open the 476 00:21:03,039 --> 00:20:59,940 zipper and I see the figure walking away 477 00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:03,049 from my tent back towards Mount Adams 478 00:21:08,539 --> 00:21:06,419 and I'm looking at it and it's staring 479 00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,549 back at me it's wearing buckskin and 480 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:12,000 just as a Native American had explained 481 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:15,330 to me here here is a tall one looking me 482 00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:17,220 dead in the eyes now girl who I was with 483 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,620 was in the tent next to me and she froze 484 00:21:24,769 --> 00:21:22,200 so she was like looking at it and she 485 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:24,779 said that she pissed her pants because 486 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:27,510 the thing just kept looking at her and 487 00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,970 she first thought it was me but then she 488 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:31,740 says wait a minute Stefan's not almost 9 489 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:34,350 feet tall you know so she just froze 490 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:36,630 there so I went out looking around on 491 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:38,850 the grounds there and the dogs were 492 00:21:43,639 --> 00:21:40,769 barking everybody was out this is 493 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:43,649 probably 11 o'clock at night after it I 494 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:45,480 just stopped raining and everybody's 495 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:46,769 looking around so the following 496 00:21:52,009 --> 00:21:49,769 following morning I talked to James I 497 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:52,019 told James would happen he says no you 498 00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,850 saw the tall ones you know they did 499 00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:55,679 frequently come on my property here this 500 00:21:59,509 --> 00:21:57,809 tunnel is that lead back you know to 501 00:22:01,399 --> 00:21:59,519 Mount Adams and there are other people 502 00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:01,409 who told me yeah we saw them last night 503 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,350 too so I realize oh thank God I wasn't 504 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:06,000 the only one following I saw my friend 505 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:08,760 who was in the tent next to me and she 506 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:10,710 was still he visibly shaken early in the 507 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:12,210 morning and she had a better account 508 00:22:16,909 --> 00:22:14,010 looking at it because she was just 509 00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:16,919 staring out of the the opening of her 510 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:19,590 tent for about 20 minutes just I caught 511 00:22:24,529 --> 00:22:21,960 that she said just this whole one didn't 512 00:22:26,419 --> 00:22:24,539 move it just stood there but it was 513 00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:26,429 picking her dogs up she said she didn't 514 00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:28,580 kill though it was threatening but 515 00:22:33,009 --> 00:22:30,380 till she didn't feel like hey you know I 516 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:33,019 I want to spend time here have a 517 00:22:37,899 --> 00:22:35,390 conversation with this individual so 518 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:37,909 this was interesting world where that 519 00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:40,750 would happen but she felt intimidated 520 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:44,840 yes she did yeah mm-hmm well I am I can 521 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:46,490 I could see that you know if you would 522 00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:49,490 encounter somebody or something that was 523 00:22:54,389 --> 00:22:52,640 over nine feet tall I mean you'd you'd 524 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:54,399 feel like a little kid almost you know 525 00:23:00,190 --> 00:22:57,890 cowering underneath that the hand of 526 00:23:02,169 --> 00:23:00,200 your parents or something seriously 527 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:02,179 exactly right so then right after the 528 00:23:09,879 --> 00:23:06,559 timeline so we spoke about I decided 529 00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:09,889 that I was gonna go back to New York and 530 00:23:16,299 --> 00:23:12,230 during that time I started doing some 531 00:23:19,180 --> 00:23:16,309 more research Stefan I'm gonna I'm gonna 532 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:19,190 hold you at that thoughts and remember 533 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:20,809 this returning to New York because we 534 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:22,700 have our break bottom uh they are break 535 00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:25,010 to go to so when we come back we will 536 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:27,380 continue our conversation with Stefan 537 00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:29,720 and Jayson Jarrell on exploring the 538 00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:32,990 bizarre so stay tuned 539 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:48,180 now back to exploring the bazaar with 540 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:50,770 two of the most electrifying researchers 541 00:24:01,740 --> 00:23:53,770 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 542 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:01,750 beckoning panting Swartz alright welcome 543 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:03,820 back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim 544 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:07,750 Schwartz and I want to encourage you our 545 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:09,280 beloved listeners if you have any 546 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:12,250 questions for our guest then please feel 547 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:14,590 free to send them in our direction I 548 00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,110 don't care how you send them we want to 549 00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,880 hear from you we want your questions our 550 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:19,600 guests want 551 00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:22,930 what's your questions we we love to hear 552 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:26,380 from you so however you go to our chat 553 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:29,230 room some of the text messages you know 554 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:32,110 go through Skype Tina Marie or our 555 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:34,480 wonderful producer you know she wants to 556 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:36,490 hear from you as well so you know I 557 00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:40,720 encourage that from from everyone so now 558 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:44,140 let's let's bring Jason Jarrell into the 559 00:24:50,850 --> 00:24:47,530 conversation now Jason I don't know if 560 00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:50,860 you remember but you were a guest on one 561 00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:55,600 of my previous shows on another network 562 00:25:00,270 --> 00:24:58,810 a few years back and at that point I 563 00:25:03,090 --> 00:25:00,280 think you you and your wife we're in the 564 00:25:05,970 --> 00:25:03,100 process of of writing your book but it 565 00:25:07,650 --> 00:25:05,980 hadn't been published yet so now I'm 566 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:07,660 really happy that we've got you on the 567 00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:11,320 show after your book has gotten 568 00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:14,020 published but you know I want you to 569 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:16,840 tell our audience you know what got you 570 00:25:23,070 --> 00:25:18,850 interested in the whole subject of 571 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:23,080 giants to begin with okay can you hear 572 00:25:29,670 --> 00:25:24,690 me all right oh you sound great 573 00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:29,680 wonderful so my interest in in the 574 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:33,070 Giants really goes goes back to when I 575 00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:35,410 was a really young child it really came 576 00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:38,820 from studying the Bible and mythology 577 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:43,720 but over the years I noticed that as 578 00:25:49,379 --> 00:25:46,809 this sort of modern mythology 579 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:49,389 grew up around the topic of what most 580 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:51,450 people call the North American Giants 581 00:25:59,659 --> 00:25:55,480 there were some researchers primarily 582 00:26:04,590 --> 00:25:59,669 among them people like Ross Hamilton and 583 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:04,600 dr. Greg little who had shown in their 584 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:08,110 work that there were actual professional 585 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:11,730 excavation reports which acknowledged 586 00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:14,289 the large skeletal remains and that's 587 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:19,360 that's very important and when my wife 588 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:22,360 Sarah and I began to study more on that 589 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:26,350 we decided about 10 years ago to launch 590 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:29,850 for our region of the country at least 591 00:26:36,509 --> 00:26:33,940 the most in-depth investigation on this 592 00:26:39,869 --> 00:26:36,519 subject I think that had ever been done 593 00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:39,879 and that's the reason it took the better 594 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:42,429 part of a decade because what that 595 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:45,850 entails is we invested an enormous 596 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:52,110 amount of time and treasure in acquiring 597 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:54,850 hundreds of archaeological reports and 598 00:27:00,600 --> 00:26:57,369 textbooks on archaeology that covered 599 00:27:02,879 --> 00:27:00,610 the ohio river valley southern ontario 600 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:02,889 the Saint Lawrence Seaway and the 601 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:07,330 eastern Atlantic coast and what we found 602 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:09,490 from all the literature that we studied 603 00:27:18,029 --> 00:27:14,169 was that these large remains had been 604 00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:18,039 documented since the 1800s by 605 00:27:22,259 --> 00:27:19,929 professionals and then all the way up 606 00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:22,269 into the 20th century by mainstream 607 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:24,070 archaeologists in some cases they were 608 00:27:29,369 --> 00:27:25,360 actually photographed in the 609 00:27:33,330 --> 00:27:29,379 archeological reports and what that made 610 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:33,340 possible for us to do was to use the 611 00:27:37,529 --> 00:27:35,049 archeological information to determine 612 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:37,539 the cultures these people were a part of 613 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:41,490 and so we gradually piece together a 614 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:44,289 definitive timeline for this part of the 615 00:27:52,649 --> 00:27:49,690 country at least for this unique sub 616 00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:52,659 population which lived among the 617 00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,460 ancestors of ancient Native Americans I 618 00:28:00,100 --> 00:27:59,679 was going to ask Jason sorry I had my 619 00:28:04,510 --> 00:28:00,110 mic 620 00:28:07,539 --> 00:28:04,520 and Here I am talking away so so Jason 621 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:07,549 now was this sub population of Giants 622 00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:12,410 here in North America before the Native 623 00:28:18,610 --> 00:28:14,270 Americans came across the bearing Street 624 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:18,620 straits or you know like came down the 625 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:20,570 coastlines or however they got here 626 00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:25,330 or were they later arrivals okay so 627 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:29,540 again for the audience I have to 628 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,510 emphasize that my research that that I'm 629 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:37,520 discussing tonight that's been published 630 00:28:43,150 --> 00:28:41,330 so far is for the regions that I just 631 00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,160 mentioned because the archaeological 632 00:28:47,409 --> 00:28:45,679 history of America is a massive thing 633 00:28:52,659 --> 00:28:47,419 and it's different in one region to the 634 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:52,669 next but we have we have chronicled in 635 00:29:04,240 --> 00:28:57,250 our book a history that spans roughly 636 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:04,250 3500 BC down to 450 ad which includes 637 00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:06,770 four major archaeological cultures which 638 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:09,740 were all ancestral one to the other that 639 00:29:14,590 --> 00:29:12,770 these people were a part of and in these 640 00:29:17,049 --> 00:29:14,600 in the tombs of these cultures is where 641 00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:17,059 the large remains have been found they 642 00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,000 are although I used to believe that 643 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:24,799 these types of discoveries from all over 644 00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:26,990 the world would have to be 645 00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:30,740 interconnected somehow the the tall ones 646 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:33,830 in North America that we've researched 647 00:29:40,810 --> 00:29:38,870 are 100% the ancestors of Native 648 00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,820 American tribes that are with us today 649 00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:42,559 hmm 650 00:29:48,669 --> 00:29:45,980 they came in - they would have to have 651 00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:48,679 come in to America with the original 652 00:29:53,530 --> 00:29:51,320 migrations of the ancestors of the 653 00:29:58,419 --> 00:29:53,540 native americans at the end of the Upper 654 00:30:02,200 --> 00:29:58,429 Paleolithic because they're their 655 00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:02,210 descendants today are found in five or 656 00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:05,630 six major linguistic groups if that's 657 00:30:09,310 --> 00:30:07,340 the case you know considering how 658 00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:09,320 genetically diverse those peoples are 659 00:30:14,019 --> 00:30:12,169 today then it would certainly indicate 660 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:14,029 that this phenomenon 661 00:30:20,139 --> 00:30:16,849 has been with the the Native Americans 662 00:30:24,999 --> 00:30:20,149 since they first peopled North America 663 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:25,009 mm-hmm oh there's also a lot of a lot of 664 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:27,710 details concerning the actual physical 665 00:30:33,459 --> 00:30:30,440 anthropology of these individuals that 666 00:30:36,009 --> 00:30:33,469 we were able to clarify in some 667 00:30:37,509 --> 00:30:36,019 instances and debunk and others for 668 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:37,519 instance in our book there are several 669 00:30:42,489 --> 00:30:40,129 cases where we found the actual field 670 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:42,499 notes of some archaeological sites that 671 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:45,609 the newspapers had reported giants from 672 00:30:50,979 --> 00:30:48,200 but the field notes make it clear that 673 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:50,989 there were actually no giants found in 674 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:53,210 many other cases we found primary 675 00:30:58,509 --> 00:30:55,690 archaeological reports that confirmed 676 00:31:01,149 --> 00:30:58,519 many of the the tall ones that were 677 00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:01,159 reported in the old press and historical 678 00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,580 accounts and we refer to them as the 679 00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:07,279 tall ones because it's really a tribute 680 00:31:14,409 --> 00:31:09,379 to the great Native American scholar 681 00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:14,419 vine Deloria jr. in 1995 in his book red 682 00:31:18,579 --> 00:31:16,820 earth White Lies he wrote about his 683 00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:18,589 conversations with Native American 684 00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,460 elders who universally referred to these 685 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:25,519 individuals as the tall ones and I feel 686 00:31:31,239 --> 00:31:27,710 like it's probably a more suitable name 687 00:31:33,969 --> 00:31:31,249 for them than giants because the actual 688 00:31:37,959 --> 00:31:33,979 skeletons that have been found on record 689 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:37,969 usually measure between 7 and 8 feet in 690 00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,950 height and there are a lesser number of 691 00:31:49,149 --> 00:31:45,679 critical credible reports from this 692 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:49,159 region of skeletons 8 and a half and in 693 00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:53,210 very rare instances 9 feet tall and it's 694 00:32:00,849 --> 00:31:57,950 important to point out that we can learn 695 00:32:04,859 --> 00:32:00,859 a lot about a culture based on the 696 00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:04,869 artifacts that we find burials with and 697 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:07,580 studying the placement of artifacts in 698 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,979 the cultures that the tall ones were a 699 00:32:15,999 --> 00:32:12,320 part of we can see that in some 700 00:32:19,899 --> 00:32:16,009 instances these individuals don't seem 701 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:19,909 to have enjoyed any special status among 702 00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:23,119 the community whereas in other instances 703 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,309 they were buried with numerous 704 00:32:31,749 --> 00:32:27,440 prestigious pristine 705 00:32:35,289 --> 00:32:31,759 just goods or exotic Goods so while in 706 00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:35,299 many instances they were possibly rulers 707 00:32:42,490 --> 00:32:38,740 or lead individuals they were not a 708 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:42,500 generational consistently elite group 709 00:32:47,169 --> 00:32:44,600 who ruled over Native Americans that is 710 00:32:49,690 --> 00:32:47,179 a modern myth about the mound builders 711 00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:49,700 here in in the Ohio Valley that simply 712 00:32:56,049 --> 00:32:52,700 isn't true the large skeletal remains 713 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,059 from the Edina and Hopewell mounds here 714 00:33:02,100 --> 00:32:57,919 in the Ohio Valley that date to between 715 00:33:05,259 --> 00:33:02,110 around 500 BC and and 500 AD are 716 00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:05,269 sometimes found in group burials with no 717 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:08,120 artifacts whereas in other instances 718 00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:10,970 they are found in elaborate tombs with 719 00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:15,980 exotic goods so this was these people 720 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:19,820 were a part of the basic ancient 721 00:33:28,509 --> 00:33:22,730 population although they were a distinct 722 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:28,519 element of it so I think I think Tim 723 00:33:38,049 --> 00:33:34,100 Buckley is managed to join us I was with 724 00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:38,059 the elders well I'm glad I'm glad that 725 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:41,299 that you're with us Tim's it's the show 726 00:33:44,830 --> 00:33:44,330 just isn't the same without you well my 727 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:44,840 goodness 728 00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:47,690 hey I do have a question okay so we had 729 00:33:58,019 --> 00:33:52,220 these giants here and apparently they 730 00:34:01,629 --> 00:33:58,029 were part of the Native American tribal 731 00:34:05,529 --> 00:34:01,639 system but I mean there seems like there 732 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:05,539 would be more than than that I mean what 733 00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:09,710 made them physically did outside of 734 00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:11,419 their height I mean why would they have 735 00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,550 developed this stature well that's a 736 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,159 wonderful question 737 00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:21,679 well I started off with the best yeah 738 00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:23,750 that's and it's an important question 739 00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:29,480 and there's some research that we have 740 00:34:35,169 --> 00:34:32,990 recently done that we have not published 741 00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:35,179 yet that's going to be in our next book 742 00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:37,220 so I really can't talk about it too much 743 00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:46,450 there's nothing in the DNA of the large 744 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:49,720 remains from the Ohio Valley that 745 00:34:59,020 --> 00:34:53,510 suggests any type of x-factor in the 746 00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:59,030 genetic makeup however if you look at 747 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:01,240 the history of humankind going back 748 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:04,520 30,000 years especially going back to 749 00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:08,150 the Upper Paleolithic period there are 750 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:11,420 many instances of different types of 751 00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:14,330 humankind humankind was a very diverse 752 00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:17,240 thing I've been studying some recent 753 00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:20,390 research by anthropologists that are 754 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:22,280 talking about the real relationship 755 00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:24,890 between for example cro-magnon and 756 00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:26,750 Neanderthals we used to think that 757 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:29,240 humankind you know one form just 758 00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:31,610 replaced the next and some sort of chain 759 00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:34,700 where it's it's as if one type of human 760 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:36,470 being would just step off the bus and 761 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:39,170 another one would step on but now we 762 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,770 know that around the world actually that 763 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:45,680 that humankind has always been a very 764 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,370 diverse type of life-form so it's 765 00:35:57,220 --> 00:35:55,520 possible that what we're seeing with 766 00:36:02,380 --> 00:35:57,230 these remains in this part of North 767 00:36:05,890 --> 00:36:02,390 America is an expression of human DNA 768 00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:05,900 which is no longer common but that does 769 00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:08,360 not mean that it isn't something that 770 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:09,640 could happen again 771 00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,110 it simply means that there may be 772 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:14,480 something which has caused it to sort of 773 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:18,290 fall by the wayside and it could be it 774 00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,150 could be what we call Western 775 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:22,880 civilization because it's important to 776 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:27,110 remember that before Columbian contact 777 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:31,010 in the United States the Native American 778 00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:34,870 people had not developed any type of 779 00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:37,550 cultural entity which would pave over 780 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:41,000 top of nature with a parking lot the 781 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:43,790 life ways of the Native American people 782 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:47,180 were distinctively different from ours 783 00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:50,450 and during the ages of the Giants during 784 00:36:54,609 --> 00:36:52,790 the days of the old copper culture in 785 00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:54,619 the Great Lakes region and the Idina 786 00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,780 mound builders in the Ohio Valley these 787 00:37:03,099 --> 00:36:59,440 people lived like basic hunter-gatherers 788 00:37:05,410 --> 00:37:03,109 they lived off of white-tailed deer they 789 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:05,420 hunted their food they fished they 790 00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,710 gathered and it could have something to 791 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:11,839 do with the way that we live today maybe 792 00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:15,290 the question is why are we so small we 793 00:37:19,329 --> 00:37:17,270 know that there were very large 794 00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,339 powerfully-built people that could be 795 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:21,200 considered giants among the ancient 796 00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:24,410 celts when the Romans waged their war of 797 00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,660 extermination against the Celtic people 798 00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:29,359 there were still Celtic warriors between 799 00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,300 seven and nine-feet tall and then the 800 00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:33,920 first thing that the Romans did when 801 00:37:39,549 --> 00:37:35,750 they took over the Celtic territories 802 00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:39,559 was to build stone temples overtop of 803 00:37:45,849 --> 00:37:43,369 the ancient earthen temples and then 804 00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:45,859 gradually we see that very ancient 805 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,140 powerful stature disappeared from most 806 00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,680 of the most of the european peoples so 807 00:37:57,220 --> 00:37:54,079 it's possible that this is somehow 808 00:38:00,160 --> 00:37:57,230 connected to human genetics genetic 809 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:00,170 expression and the interaction of the 810 00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:02,210 human entity with the environment 811 00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:06,500 well how okay well we have these giants 812 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:10,220 living amongst us what percentage of the 813 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:14,720 population were they well they were if 814 00:38:21,579 --> 00:38:18,410 we take into consideration the research 815 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:21,589 of a very important archaeologists from 816 00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:24,650 the Carnegie the Carnegie Museum named 817 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:26,390 Don dragoo who was the preeminent 818 00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,010 scholar on the Idina culture they 819 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:32,960 represented a good portion of the 820 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:36,190 population actually because the Idina 821 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:40,010 the Idina engaged in widespread 822 00:38:46,539 --> 00:38:42,410 cremation practices in addition to 823 00:38:48,579 --> 00:38:46,549 burying their dead relatively intact so 824 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:48,589 there are a lot of cremated burials in 825 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:51,650 their mounds as well and Don dragoo made 826 00:38:57,569 --> 00:38:54,290 the comment that many of the surviving 827 00:39:00,099 --> 00:38:57,579 bones of the cremated burials also 828 00:39:00,910 --> 00:39:00,109 showed evidence of the large and 829 00:39:03,070 --> 00:39:00,920 powerful 830 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:03,080 olds of what he called the unique 831 00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:07,010 physical type so while we really can't 832 00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:11,360 tell exactly how many of these people 833 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:13,940 had these unique features we do know 834 00:39:22,090 --> 00:39:17,570 that it was a lot and I would also add 835 00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,100 that archaeologists like Donohue and 836 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,320 William s Webb from the University of 837 00:39:30,670 --> 00:39:27,680 Kentucky these two individuals they 838 00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:30,680 studied the culture that we're talking 839 00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:33,980 about a lot and they wrote about the 840 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:36,350 bones of the exceptionally tall people 841 00:39:41,770 --> 00:39:39,410 they were very large thick bones and 842 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:41,780 there were marked eminences on the bones 843 00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:43,850 where the muscles had been attached so 844 00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:45,710 we know that they were powerfully built 845 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:49,790 muscular athletic people they did not 846 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:52,400 have any type of disease that caused 847 00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:55,930 their their size and their stature and 848 00:40:00,760 --> 00:39:58,790 it's also important to point out that 849 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:00,770 they did practice a form of artificial 850 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:03,770 cranial deformation the the mothers 851 00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,410 would strap the infant's to a board to 852 00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:08,240 flatten the back of the skull and 853 00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:12,140 thereby heighten the skull vault they 854 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:16,400 also possessed very large wide lower jaw 855 00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:19,160 bones most of the anthropologists that 856 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:21,140 study these people wrote about their 857 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:25,760 powerful lower jaw bones but it isn't it 858 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:29,410 isn't my intention to suggest to anyone 859 00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:34,210 that the entire population that 860 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:38,030 participated in these cultures were were 861 00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:40,430 tall ones they were a distinct 862 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:44,480 subpopulation the other ancestral Native 863 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:46,910 Americans yeah well you know I'm just 864 00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:48,730 thinking though that we certainly have 865 00:40:55,810 --> 00:40:51,920 uh I don't know what the percentage is 866 00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:55,820 but at all people here seven what would 867 00:41:01,090 --> 00:40:58,850 be the tallest person now do you know I 868 00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,100 knew this one fellow who lived in the 869 00:41:05,650 --> 00:41:03,920 Red Bank who was about eight feet tall 870 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:05,660 that was many years ago I think he was 871 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:08,690 one of James Randy's neighbors believe 872 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:11,570 it or not but but there there are there 873 00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:14,890 are tall you know people 874 00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:18,710 the eight feet tall I believe right well 875 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:21,350 you have I I took Tim I should point out 876 00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:22,850 that you know you have people who are 877 00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:24,320 naturally tall and then you have people 878 00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,880 who have you know like pituitary 879 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,440 problems that's correct 880 00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:29,450 yeah that I mean you know that gives 881 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:30,710 their health problems all over their 882 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:35,720 life you know the the ancient the 883 00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:37,730 ancient remains that I'm talking about 884 00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:41,270 the anthropologists never noticed 885 00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:43,100 anything in these remains to suggest 886 00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:46,520 that it was caused by a disease and also 887 00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:51,830 I should point out that our book covers 888 00:42:00,340 --> 00:41:55,400 about four thousand years but these 889 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:00,350 individuals persisted for another 1,000 890 00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:02,780 years or more after the period why book 891 00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,420 concludes in fact they there were many 892 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:07,520 many hundreds of them found in the tombs 893 00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:09,530 of the Mississippian culture which is 894 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:11,510 the culture that was still in existence 895 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:15,650 at the time of European contact and the 896 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,170 European explorers actually encountered 897 00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:21,280 several of these people I know there's a 898 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:23,870 there's an excavation report in my 899 00:42:31,930 --> 00:42:27,410 possession of a ma'am that was excavated 900 00:42:34,090 --> 00:42:31,940 in North Carolina and this mail 901 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:34,100 contained a skeleton between seven and 902 00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,130 eight feet tall and this mound actually 903 00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,400 dates to the 1600s and there there are 904 00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:43,040 Spanish trade goods that were buried 905 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:47,240 with this individual so this is an 906 00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:49,850 aspect of ancient Native American 907 00:42:57,610 --> 00:42:53,870 anthropology as in terms of people today 908 00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:57,620 who are of exceptional height if you 909 00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,000 were to go to AP magazine online and 910 00:43:06,490 --> 00:43:04,640 look at the work of dr. Gregg little oh 911 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:06,500 yes mm-hmm 912 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:10,610 dr. little has statistically debunked 913 00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:13,010 the idea that these were just you know 914 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:15,080 the ancient world's basketball players 915 00:43:20,290 --> 00:43:17,210 or occasionally tall individuals and he 916 00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:20,300 did it using one single Idina mound 917 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:21,830 group and that's the one here in 918 00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:24,320 Charleston where I live just using the 919 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:26,660 sheer number of large skeletal remains 920 00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,770 found in this area 921 00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:30,480 so I would point people who are curious 922 00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,600 about that to dr. Little's essay on that 923 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,400 it's very good we quoted it in our book 924 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:38,400 at length and I think that'll open a lot 925 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:40,530 of people's eyes to to the facts behind 926 00:43:48,109 --> 00:43:45,530 it you know I've often wondered when it 927 00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:48,119 come to it comes to the tall ones 928 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:50,100 whether or not they may have represented 929 00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:53,250 you know like some kind of possibly you 930 00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:58,740 know archaic subgroup of of Homo sapiens 931 00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:00,540 you know where as you had said earlier 932 00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:07,200 we're now seeing that we owe some of our 933 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:10,020 you know genetic and DNA makeup from 934 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:12,930 Neanderthals and the the newly 935 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:15,570 discovered Denisovans and then even some 936 00:44:20,330 --> 00:44:18,210 unknown our ghost species as they call 937 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:20,340 them have been able to identify with so 938 00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,110 I mean you know could there be a 939 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:25,440 possibility that that these people may 940 00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:29,250 have represented you know like a kissing 941 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:33,750 cousin to homo sapiens that made their 942 00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:35,730 last stand here in North and South 943 00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:39,390 America exactly that's that's close to 944 00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,430 my position we're planning on eventually 945 00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:46,140 revealing our own origin theory to 946 00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:50,670 answer some of these questions but one 947 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:52,619 thing about North America that I would 948 00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,270 advise people who study ancient 949 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:56,700 mysteries to bear in mind is there are 950 00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,890 things that did not happen here that 951 00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:00,720 happened in the rest of the world for 952 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,750 example the Neolithic Revolution that 953 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:06,300 happened in Europe which got everyone on 954 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,090 big Agri you know they used to believe 955 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,280 that the introduction of grains and big 956 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:13,200 Agri in ancient Europe was a huge 957 00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,090 breakthrough for mankind but we now know 958 00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:17,640 that it actually weakened the population 959 00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:19,980 and made them sick and weak we even see 960 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:21,600 that it deteriorated their bone 961 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:25,710 structure from there their ancestors so 962 00:45:29,420 --> 00:45:27,330 we did not see anything like that 963 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:29,430 happened in North America until around 964 00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:32,490 1000 AD when large scale corn 965 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:36,180 agriculture was introduced so there's a 966 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:38,609 lot about the anthropological history of 967 00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:40,170 North America that's completely 968 00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:42,180 different from what we see in Europe and 969 00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:42,390 the 970 00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:48,510 Revolution we don't see controllers 971 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,000 emerge here who who kept the population 972 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:53,839 on a certain diet they remained 973 00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:56,130 hunter-gatherers for much longer in this 974 00:46:02,329 --> 00:45:57,750 part of the world and it may have been 975 00:46:06,849 --> 00:46:02,339 to their benefit you had mentioned that 976 00:46:12,339 --> 00:46:06,859 the a lot of these individuals had been 977 00:46:16,009 --> 00:46:12,349 cradle boarded I mean you know the the 978 00:46:18,259 --> 00:46:16,019 recently analyzed Peruvian skulls where 979 00:46:19,809 --> 00:46:18,269 III don't think that they're giants 980 00:46:22,099 --> 00:46:19,819 though I think that they're normal 981 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:22,109 normal size except for their you know 982 00:46:27,799 --> 00:46:23,970 the upper part of their heads are just 983 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:27,809 abnormally long I mean do you think that 984 00:46:35,319 --> 00:46:30,930 these possibly were influenced at one 985 00:46:38,059 --> 00:46:35,329 time by these earlier race of giants 986 00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,069 well the Peruvian culture isn't really 987 00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,859 connected to the Edina here in the ohio 988 00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:43,140 valley or their ancestors in the Great 989 00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:45,000 Lakes and the form of cranial 990 00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:47,670 deformation is completely different I'd 991 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:49,230 like to point that out to people because 992 00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:50,609 a lot of people think they're the same 993 00:46:56,349 --> 00:46:53,940 the bharatas cranial deformation was 994 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:56,359 accomplished largely with bandages and 995 00:47:00,529 --> 00:46:58,410 something that people don't realize 996 00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:00,539 about that is we've known in physical 997 00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:02,430 anthropology for a long time that when 998 00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:05,430 you use bandages to cause the skull to 999 00:47:10,359 --> 00:47:07,470 grow in a certain way it also causes the 1000 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:10,369 sutures to disappear in many cases so 1001 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:13,170 the cases of the missing sutures from 1002 00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,210 any of those piraka skulls is really 1003 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:17,460 just a side effect of the bandages used 1004 00:47:23,509 --> 00:47:21,390 for cranial deformation but in terms of 1005 00:47:26,499 --> 00:47:23,519 the European DNA that you mentioned from 1006 00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:26,509 the paratus tests that have happened 1007 00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:29,369 genetic anthropologists in the last few 1008 00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:31,140 years have actually learned that the 1009 00:47:38,539 --> 00:47:34,920 earliest Native Americans to cross the 1010 00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:38,549 LAN bridge were in fact a part European 1011 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:40,200 they shared all right I'm gonna have to 1012 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:41,490 I'm gonna have to hold you there Jason 1013 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:43,079 because we have to go to our break so 1014 00:47:45,730 --> 00:47:43,850 stay tuned 1015 00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:45,740 we'll be back in just a few minutes 1016 00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:02,930 explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride 1017 00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:05,390 into the world of the paranormal 1018 00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:08,670 strap yourself in as we traverse the 1019 00:48:16,090 --> 00:48:12,980 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 1020 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,100 ghosts lost world 1021 00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:18,480 cryptozoology as well as other 1022 00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:22,320 dimensions it's time to take back the 1023 00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:27,480 night now your electrifying hosts of 1024 00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:30,630 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 1025 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:36,630 team sports alright welcome back to the 1026 00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:38,970 second hour of exploring the bizarre I'm 1027 00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:41,880 Tim Schwartz along with Timothy green 1028 00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:44,760 Beckley who has just crawled up from the 1029 00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:53,660 well you know I had a skateboard so that 1030 00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,500 was okay and at least you could have 1031 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:02,960 gotten like one of those hoverboards 1032 00:49:08,570 --> 00:49:06,870 yeah well you know gravity I don't know 1033 00:49:15,830 --> 00:49:08,580 if that would work because in some spots 1034 00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:15,840 gravity is upside down upside down there 1035 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:23,550 you go all right well tablets and before 1036 00:49:35,050 --> 00:49:28,010 we talked to a Jason we as Stefan was 1037 00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:35,060 talking about his Mount Shasta 1038 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:37,740 experiences but we had to cut him off 1039 00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,170 for our break and just at the point 1040 00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:42,300 where he was heading back to New York so 1041 00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:45,560 uh Stefan you want to continue on and 1042 00:49:52,070 --> 00:49:49,590 fill us in on what happened next 1043 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:52,080 sure I pick up the timeline of October 1044 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:54,690 of 2008 I get a phone call that my 1045 00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:56,730 brother is dying and so I go back to New 1046 00:50:00,260 --> 00:49:58,410 York you care for my brother and my mom 1047 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:00,270 was in a wheelchair at the time so I 1048 00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:04,410 became you know the dedicated provider 1049 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:06,270 football team but while I was back I 1050 00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:09,330 said would you some research so research 1051 00:50:12,830 --> 00:50:11,400 for about six months and then I decided 1052 00:50:15,110 --> 00:50:12,840 that I was going to go out to Mount 1053 00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:15,120 Shasta again cuz my mom we got a little 1054 00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,350 better and my brother's a little better 1055 00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,260 and I was able to to leave to go back up 1056 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,660 to Shasta because I had gone off in the 1057 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:23,730 Pacific was worked my way down from 1058 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:26,250 Mount Rainier the Mount Adams is some of 1059 00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,510 the other mountains so I wanted to go 1060 00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:29,700 down all the way down to the mountain I 1061 00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:32,940 believe where the legend was surrounded 1062 00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,660 about was now Shasta so I did I in April 1063 00:50:43,310 --> 00:50:39,180 2009 I came out to Mount Shasta and I 1064 00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:43,320 started going around the area and I felt 1065 00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,790 like I had been here before I walked 1066 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:46,560 around I was with people that I met I 1067 00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:48,330 said make a left here make a right here 1068 00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:49,470 they go how do you know I says I just 1069 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:51,540 know what I know but was like deja vu 1070 00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:53,370 but I thought that had been there before 1071 00:50:58,070 --> 00:50:56,040 so I was lecturing at the College of the 1072 00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:58,080 Siskiyous about the legend and some of 1073 00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:00,300 the elders from the mountain from them 1074 00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,460 thank you many foundations approached me 1075 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:05,040 after my lecture and said you know what 1076 00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:07,170 you're talking about about the Giants 1077 00:51:11,090 --> 00:51:08,940 and the legend about Shasta it's all 1078 00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:11,100 true so a friend of mine who was with me 1079 00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:12,840 you know surprised that these elders 1080 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:15,600 would confide in me so I asked I said 1081 00:51:21,380 --> 00:51:18,330 well I like to visit the amount shaft 1082 00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:21,390 springs resort which is on the property 1083 00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:24,150 that you now own which is from the 1084 00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:26,190 saint-germain foundation could I be 1085 00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:28,440 invited on so one of the elders invited 1086 00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:30,150 me onto the property so they're on the 1087 00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:33,660 property I saw the hotel the old grounds 1088 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:35,700 and I and I was like yeah I've been here 1089 00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:37,770 before I know I stayed at this hotels as 1090 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:40,620 we walked the grounds with permission of 1091 00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:43,490 course I saw the rock the soul 1092 00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:45,390 foundation that I believe was an 1093 00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:47,220 instrument that learned underneath Mount 1094 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:48,870 Shasta there were a couple of different 1095 00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,990 basalt foundations that I came across so 1096 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:54,480 I was fortunate and I was able to see 1097 00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:56,490 this so while there I began hiking near 1098 00:52:01,580 --> 00:51:58,370 the area and I've located some other 1099 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:01,590 basalt rock formations that I was told 1100 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:05,730 that using harmonic frequencies these 1101 00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,810 basalt rocks could open up to to a 1102 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:12,240 tunnel and I so I tried fiddling around 1103 00:52:16,049 --> 00:52:14,010 with different vibrations the only thing 1104 00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,059 that happened to me I got bit by bees 1105 00:52:20,279 --> 00:52:19,119 mosquitoes I ran down by the river says 1106 00:52:22,650 --> 00:52:20,289 you know today's not a good day to 1107 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:22,660 continue this but I realized that I had 1108 00:52:27,509 --> 00:52:25,930 to go back to do more research here so 1109 00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:27,519 while this is all happening I said well 1110 00:52:33,569 --> 00:52:31,299 I'm gonna I'm gonna film a TV show at 1111 00:52:36,029 --> 00:52:33,579 the college I was filming a show called 1112 00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:36,039 legend mystery and more and during the 1113 00:52:39,749 --> 00:52:37,630 filming of my shows I would talk about 1114 00:52:41,939 --> 00:52:39,759 what I was fine in the area next thing I 1115 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:41,949 know I find myself in July with a 1116 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:44,890 two-page write-up in the Mount Shasta 1117 00:52:49,140 --> 00:52:47,170 Herald newspaper and all of a sudden you 1118 00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:49,150 know what I was doing was no longer 1119 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:51,160 really a secret and I had people follow 1120 00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:53,410 me around town it was though I was like 1121 00:52:57,390 --> 00:52:55,749 EF Hutton whenever I spoke people were 1122 00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,400 you know bending your ear to listen so 1123 00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,680 it was kind of uncomfortable for me 1124 00:53:03,449 --> 00:53:01,839 there so I did this show through to 1125 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:03,459 September and a friend of mine asked me 1126 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:06,130 to produce his show up in Ashland OR 1127 00:53:10,229 --> 00:53:08,170 Oregon so when we went up I went to a 1128 00:53:11,819 --> 00:53:10,239 spiritual retreat for a couple weeks and 1129 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:11,829 I get a phone call which is interesting 1130 00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:14,049 a friend calls me and this friend had 1131 00:53:18,929 --> 00:53:16,869 been one of my cameraman on my show he 1132 00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:18,939 also produced a show to ecology he calls 1133 00:53:22,469 --> 00:53:21,459 me says there's California accident dude 1134 00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:22,479 you're famous 1135 00:53:27,479 --> 00:53:25,569 Isis famous he goes yeah the FBI and the 1136 00:53:29,429 --> 00:53:27,489 u.s. Forest Service came to the TV 1137 00:53:31,439 --> 00:53:29,439 recording studio at the college and they 1138 00:53:34,439 --> 00:53:31,449 want to talk to you about digging a 6 1139 00:53:37,019 --> 00:53:34,449 teaspoons hole up on Mount Shasta so I 1140 00:53:38,969 --> 00:53:37,029 started laughing I says the forest 1141 00:53:41,279 --> 00:53:38,979 rangers and the FBI want to talk to me 1142 00:53:43,949 --> 00:53:41,289 about digging a hole I said this is 1143 00:53:45,749 --> 00:53:43,959 amusing so I gave my friend you know my 1144 00:53:48,089 --> 00:53:45,759 cell phone number I said look I'm not 1145 00:53:50,429 --> 00:53:48,099 coming down to check back to California 1146 00:53:52,439 --> 00:53:50,439 man Oregon for a bit but the FBI want to 1147 00:53:54,809 --> 00:53:52,449 talk to me here's my phone number but I 1148 00:53:56,729 --> 00:53:54,819 never got any phone call from them I 1149 00:53:59,099 --> 00:53:56,739 just you know blew it off as though you 1150 00:54:01,169 --> 00:53:59,109 know like she's a witch hunt you know 1151 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:01,179 some somebody wants to pin this hole on 1152 00:54:06,299 --> 00:54:03,849 me I thought I didn't dig so the guy 1153 00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:06,309 goes oh what was there was there a hole 1154 00:54:11,309 --> 00:54:09,640 there or was a Vidia no it was a write 1155 00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,319 up about there was somebody when he 1156 00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:13,359 would with an excavation equipment and 1157 00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:16,839 actually dug out a 60 feet wide hole a 1158 00:54:22,769 --> 00:54:19,839 20 feet deep you know on the mountain so 1159 00:54:24,839 --> 00:54:22,779 somebody purposely dug this hole you 1160 00:54:27,179 --> 00:54:24,849 know looking for something and the FBI 1161 00:54:29,339 --> 00:54:27,189 if our service swore that I did it I 1162 00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:29,349 cracked up my saying this is like Mel's 1163 00:54:31,820 --> 00:54:29,800 Hall 1164 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:31,830 to blame you for something yeah I 1165 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,880 happened to be in the area at the time 1166 00:54:37,770 --> 00:54:35,680 but I know wasn't me and I said the only 1167 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:37,780 thing I dig things in twos with a shovel 1168 00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:39,820 and a spoon so everybody there at the 1169 00:54:43,860 --> 00:54:41,500 college defended me this is no stepping 1170 00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:43,870 wouldn't do that but I found myself and 1171 00:54:48,450 --> 00:54:46,780 uh in a quagmire here because there it 1172 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:48,460 is people were trying not to throw me 1173 00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:50,410 under the bus and the FBI and say why 1174 00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:52,300 would the FBI what is it that I know 1175 00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:54,760 that they don't want me to to share with 1176 00:54:58,050 --> 00:54:56,110 people people started coming up to 1177 00:55:00,330 --> 00:54:58,060 Shafter looking for things all of a 1178 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:00,340 sudden you know I caused a big uproar up 1179 00:55:04,290 --> 00:55:01,930 there and just Sleepy Hollow sort of a 1180 00:55:06,510 --> 00:55:04,300 setting so I was kind of a curious I 1181 00:55:09,390 --> 00:55:06,520 guess the government you know of uh you 1182 00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:09,400 know stirring the pot but I found myself 1183 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:11,620 in this surveillance I said you know I'm 1184 00:55:14,820 --> 00:55:13,450 gonna go back up back to New York at 1185 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:14,830 this point I said I don't feel 1186 00:55:19,110 --> 00:55:16,870 comfortable on the west coast were I 1187 00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:19,120 gotta sleep with one eye open people 1188 00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,030 were breaking into my apartment stealing 1189 00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:24,880 some of my devices my crashing my 1190 00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:26,740 computer looking for stuff and I go you 1191 00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:29,620 know this is not cool so I end up coming 1192 00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:31,870 back to New York n which is interesting 1193 00:55:36,540 --> 00:55:35,020 I find myself uh I'm standing I just 1194 00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:36,550 came out of the train station Penn 1195 00:55:40,050 --> 00:55:38,440 Station right by Madison Square going on 1196 00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:40,060 34th Street now if you're familiar with 1197 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:42,430 I'm two blocks away 1198 00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:45,370 okay there's a lots of what yeah so you 1199 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:47,320 can appreciate this I'm standing in 1200 00:55:52,020 --> 00:55:49,930 front of Penn Station where the steps go 1201 00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:52,030 down right there's a they had that 1202 00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:53,470 little coffee shop down the street 1203 00:55:58,110 --> 00:55:55,000 I'm standing all of a sudden I look 1204 00:56:01,020 --> 00:55:58,120 behind me and who's behind me the former 1205 00:56:04,170 --> 00:56:01,030 director robert muller of the FBI 1206 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:04,180 standing directly behind me I look at 1207 00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:06,250 him and I knew what it was and I could 1208 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:08,560 his breath was so bad I could smell it 1209 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:10,420 so gives you an idea how close I was 1210 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:13,690 standing to him so he looked at me like 1211 00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:16,330 his don't know if you know thoughts 1212 00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:18,550 could kill you know I was public enemy 1213 00:56:23,310 --> 00:56:21,190 number one so soon as I saw that I took 1214 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:23,320 out my cell phone camera I clicked him 1215 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:26,410 and I walked about 15 feet away who do I 1216 00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:28,930 see now I catch the assistant director 1217 00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:30,790 of New York Joseph Damaris 1218 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:32,980 only a few feet away standing by the 1219 00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:35,290 wall acting coy with a Jing but gym bag 1220 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:37,390 and now he's got me under surveillance 1221 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:39,370 all right they got my cell phone camera 1222 00:56:44,290 --> 00:56:40,730 again you know I 1223 00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:44,300 camouflage I grabbed his photo so right 1224 00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:45,740 after that I says you know this is 1225 00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:48,590 nonsense so I decided I was going to 1226 00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:50,150 create some Flyers there's one of the 1227 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:51,590 things I'm not proud of I went and I 1228 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:53,090 took the Flyers of the assistant 1229 00:57:02,020 --> 00:56:55,250 director and I put them on every police 1230 00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:02,030 car that I could find in Brooklyn what 1231 00:57:07,810 --> 00:57:05,630 works for me so there I go in a new 1232 00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:07,820 friend who is a detective right and he 1233 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:09,590 says are you back from California I go 1234 00:57:14,730 --> 00:57:11,690 yeah so take care my mom my brother look 1235 00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:14,740 at these photos and I had you you know 1236 00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:17,720 surveillance Singh Dhoni cameras see it 1237 00:57:21,820 --> 00:57:19,340 on YouTube so I put up a YouTube video 1238 00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:21,830 of the assistant director so you want to 1239 00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:24,020 follow me you know followers I called 1240 00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:26,630 his office and I said so this is I love 1241 00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:28,670 to speak to Joe and his assistant says 1242 00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,190 you know Joe yeah yeah I know Joe put 1243 00:57:36,010 --> 00:57:33,440 him on so she puts him on the phone I 1244 00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:36,020 said Joe this is stuff in Sedona you 1245 00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:39,500 know in February 22nd 2010 220 in the 1246 00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:41,420 afternoon for the master square guard he 1247 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:43,580 goes who I said you know the guy you 1248 00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:45,290 were following you had me under 1249 00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:47,960 surveillance you and your boss Robert 1250 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:49,940 Mueller it's all over Sonny wants to get 1251 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:52,130 off the phone is Joseph want to tell you 1252 00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:54,530 something if you got something against 1253 00:57:59,860 --> 00:57:58,070 me charge me you tell Robert Mueller the 1254 00:58:04,870 --> 00:57:59,870 same thing I don't appreciate you guys 1255 00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:04,880 following me so after that I I go back 1256 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:08,900 to California and I'm in front of Mount 1257 00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:11,330 Shasta Boulevard and now my brother is 1258 00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,940 dying and I get a phone call you got to 1259 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:15,200 come back to New York you know your 1260 00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:17,930 brother's about to die and I coming in a 1261 00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:19,790 restaurant figuring ok now I gotta get a 1262 00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:22,640 flight whatever and so I'm trying to 1263 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:23,960 figure out how long didn't negotiate all 1264 00:58:27,940 --> 00:58:25,490 this all of a sudden I look across the 1265 00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:27,950 street who do I see but I see Joe the 1266 00:58:31,810 --> 00:58:30,260 marriage the former FBI director who 1267 00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:31,820 from New York who I ran out of New York 1268 00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:33,320 they had him in Washington at this point 1269 00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:35,510 and he's got his arms folded looking at 1270 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:37,190 me like like what are you gonna do 1271 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:39,710 and I'm looking at him like so the girls 1272 00:58:46,450 --> 00:58:42,010 would said do you know him 1273 00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:46,460 go yeah kinda sorta so I walked past him 1274 00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,230 right he's got a baseball cap on I had 1275 00:58:52,110 --> 00:58:50,000 one or two and I just like tip my hat to 1276 00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:52,120 him he tips his hat he has 1277 00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:54,280 hands folded and I walk past them the 1278 00:58:58,980 --> 00:58:56,140 girl on which says you do know him who 1279 00:59:00,780 --> 00:58:58,990 is he I said he used to be the FBI 1280 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:00,790 director in New York I said but he's 1281 00:59:05,100 --> 00:59:02,170 probably a little pissed off at me 1282 00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:05,110 because I put him out there like a cat 1283 00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:07,510 in the night so right after that you 1284 00:59:12,450 --> 00:59:10,750 know I I guess my apartment broken into 1285 00:59:13,770 --> 00:59:12,460 again in California they were looking 1286 00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:13,780 for stuff I said you guys must be 1287 00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:16,320 looking for their photos you know so 1288 00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:19,420 when I got why why why would they be 1289 00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:22,030 telling you so closely I mean going to 1290 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,910 Mount Shasta isn't exactly a crime no no 1291 00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:30,640 no no what I think it was it had a lot 1292 00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:32,980 to do with 9/11 I discovered things 1293 00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:35,470 about 9/11 you know the inside job of it 1294 00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:37,750 and my fact I have it on my websites and 1295 00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:39,790 stuff and they didn't like the fact that 1296 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:43,180 I contact the FBI back in 2001 with 1297 00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:45,250 information as to who did it how it 1298 00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:47,560 happened and you FBI blew me off and 1299 00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:49,360 Muller was just given the job at that 1300 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:52,900 time too you need to be the FBI director 1301 00:59:57,330 --> 00:59:54,730 so he was pissed off at me because you 1302 01:00:00,060 --> 00:59:57,340 know I could have evidence to prove that 1303 01:00:02,850 --> 01:00:00,070 you know this was done by a covert group 1304 01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,860 and I was doing very able to put 1305 01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:05,920 together the dots so I think to me that 1306 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:09,040 was Robert mullahs motivation was to 1307 01:00:19,170 --> 01:00:11,290 stop me from telling all about you know 1308 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:19,180 the 9/11 cover-up amazing you know I had 1309 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:20,770 to step up to the plate you know I'm 1310 01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:23,110 calling and say hey you know like don't 1311 01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:25,590 do this I call the FBI and I called 1312 01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:28,180 Molly's office I said Muller right you 1313 01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:29,320 know when I talked them all he's not 1314 01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:30,430 here right now so leave him a message 1315 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:31,030 for me 1316 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:34,210 tell him I don't scare easy tell him 1317 01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:36,490 I'll buy him lunch but he needs to stop 1318 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:39,160 so now I watch him now going after Trump 1319 01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:41,290 you know the witch hunt and that's why 1320 01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:43,000 tonight I wanted to share this with you 1321 01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,670 because if he has something to say maybe 1322 01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:47,440 we'll hear it tomorrow in the Daily News 1323 01:00:53,580 --> 01:00:50,740 I'd love to see him debate me about what 1324 01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:53,590 I I state to be you know true but 1325 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:54,700 they've been for a couple years now 1326 01:00:59,790 --> 01:00:57,370 wanting these photos and trying to find 1327 01:01:01,350 --> 01:00:59,800 this stuff and they know I had the 1328 01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:01,360 assistant director put him out there 1329 01:01:04,620 --> 01:01:04,150 with Sindona camera so Rob Imola wants 1330 01:01:07,890 --> 01:01:04,630 to retire 1331 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:07,900 Iyer you know with an untainted image 1332 01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:09,610 and I'm one of the people who can 1333 01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:11,890 prevent that especially if I go public 1334 01:01:15,860 --> 01:01:13,660 with some more you know of the 1335 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:15,870 revelations that I'm sharing tonight 1336 01:01:21,330 --> 01:01:18,730 when I promised before the break you 1337 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:21,340 were going to tell us what you had 1338 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:23,080 learned about the Philadelphia 1339 01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:26,650 Experiment this recent yes I I got your 1340 01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:28,390 book recently this is what prompted me 1341 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:32,230 to contact you because the experiment to 1342 01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:35,890 me was something that was very bizarre 1343 01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:40,270 in nature because a lot of people won't 1344 01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,880 believe it unless it happens to them and 1345 01:01:48,060 --> 01:01:45,520 when it happens to you all the sudden 1346 01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:48,070 you go oh my god you're like I can't 1347 01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,920 just count this here so I'm looking here 1348 01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:53,920 my notes here and here like for example 1349 01:01:58,980 --> 01:01:56,310 when I first read the book there about 1350 01:02:01,800 --> 01:01:58,990 Alby Locke in 19th year so what happened 1351 01:02:04,170 --> 01:02:01,810 with the magnetical each making a ship 1352 01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,180 invisible and by locating and people 1353 01:02:09,870 --> 01:02:06,720 getting frozen to hold of the ship and 1354 01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:09,880 changing the very wall of time and space 1355 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:11,980 it was kind of interesting but when I 1356 01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:13,450 read further into it 1357 01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:16,540 well dr. Jessup and the mind control and 1358 01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:18,670 how they were doing things what I 1359 01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:20,830 realized I was having problems with my 1360 01:02:27,090 --> 01:02:25,150 television set my aspect ratio my TV was 1361 01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:27,100 changing and all of a sudden it was the 1362 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:28,630 TV was putting me asleep and I was 1363 01:02:32,550 --> 01:02:30,250 getting hit with electromagnetic 1364 01:02:35,010 --> 01:02:32,560 frequency waves through my television 1365 01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:35,020 set I was getting bruises on my body was 1366 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:37,300 knocking me out and I was saying to 1367 01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:39,370 myself this can't this I've been 1368 01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:42,520 disconnected my cable service from the 1369 01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:44,790 Time Warner Cable so I went and I bought 1370 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:48,430 some amplified antennas figuring okay so 1371 01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:50,770 I can't have cable now so let me get an 1372 01:02:56,580 --> 01:02:53,500 amplified antenna only to learn that the 1373 01:03:00,030 --> 01:02:56,590 frequency that you run to another 1374 01:03:04,170 --> 01:03:00,040 control someone is between like 425 to 1375 01:03:07,410 --> 01:03:04,180 450 megahertz so these amplifiers I 1376 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:07,420 bought had a range from 450 to like 700 1377 01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:09,730 I'm saying wow this could blow my brain 1378 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:12,880 up and from the book there I learned 1379 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:14,530 that in Vietnam they were using these 1380 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:18,010 frequencies to affect the virion 1381 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:20,290 and shatter their eardrums you know that 1382 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:24,730 that 1450 range so after learning is I 1383 01:03:28,830 --> 01:03:27,130 was able to determine like anything a 1384 01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:28,840 bug detector there was a guy sitting 1385 01:03:36,570 --> 01:03:32,320 outside my window and he was holding a 1386 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:36,580 handheld device using the antenna up on 1387 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:38,530 the building across the street from me 1388 01:03:44,850 --> 01:03:40,690 and that in China was giving him the 1389 01:03:47,550 --> 01:03:44,860 power to send EMF raised with emissions 1390 01:03:50,790 --> 01:03:47,560 like was like you know like radar giving 1391 01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:50,800 me like cancer type affects of my body I 1392 01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:53,260 went to a doctor and the Chinese doctor 1393 01:03:56,850 --> 01:03:54,640 I have said to me do you work in a 1394 01:03:58,740 --> 01:03:56,860 nuclear facility I said no he says well 1395 01:04:01,920 --> 01:03:58,750 you have the you know the beginnings of 1396 01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:01,930 cancer Isis really and then I realized 1397 01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:04,150 this guy across the street was hitting 1398 01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:06,220 me with these harmful rays so I started 1399 01:04:12,330 --> 01:04:09,190 to to investigate more about what what 1400 01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:12,340 do I have to do so I ended up not using 1401 01:04:17,460 --> 01:04:15,670 cable no more internet because they were 1402 01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:17,470 like hacking my internet and that's why 1403 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:19,240 like I'm on the phone I couldn't have 1404 01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:21,490 Skype any more they would disconnect all 1405 01:04:26,910 --> 01:04:24,910 my electronics incoming all hours of the 1406 01:04:29,340 --> 01:04:26,920 night and steal my stuff and oh this is 1407 01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:29,350 nuts but the EMF raised they were having 1408 01:04:34,590 --> 01:04:31,420 people outside 24 hours a day 1409 01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:34,600 sending Harpal Singh was to me and they 1410 01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:36,940 would even take my TV set and change the 1411 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:39,700 language from American to a secondary 1412 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:42,010 audio program and give me Spanish okay 1413 01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:44,290 well who else you got and I realized you 1414 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:46,360 know this is crazy so I'm having to buy 1415 01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,250 a portable generator and now when I lose 1416 01:04:56,100 --> 01:04:53,920 my appliance Tim I plug my generator 1417 01:04:58,350 --> 01:04:56,110 into my ellic whether it's my TV my 1418 01:05:00,060 --> 01:04:58,360 computer whatever to be able to use my 1419 01:05:02,430 --> 01:05:00,070 product so that way I don't have 1420 01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,440 somebody hitting me through a wall plate 1421 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:04,960 so whoever these people are and I 1422 01:05:11,250 --> 01:05:08,170 learned the people are there are the 1423 01:05:13,290 --> 01:05:11,260 Jews they're the city Jews Justin black 1424 01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:13,300 I'll call them the black Hatter's and 1425 01:05:18,750 --> 01:05:16,510 these guys around New York they don't 1426 01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:18,760 work all day and what they do is they're 1427 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:21,940 they have unsuspecting citizens under 1428 01:05:25,620 --> 01:05:24,010 surveillance trying to hurt them but no 1429 01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:25,630 one would believe it because they say oh 1430 01:05:31,330 --> 01:05:28,480 this guy is holier than thou you know 1431 01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:31,340 he's religious well my name is Stefan 1432 01:05:36,610 --> 01:05:34,310 Abraham singh dhoni and i can tell you 1433 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:36,620 that i am not anti-semitic my mother was 1434 01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:39,170 a jew but when somebody's trying to hurt 1435 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:41,660 you Tim you got to call them on it what 1436 01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,850 they're doing I have no problem when I'm 1437 01:05:48,070 --> 01:05:45,440 telling you because I can back it up and 1438 01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:48,080 show you with meters and show you what's 1439 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:51,560 going on and the thing is I want this to 1440 01:05:57,460 --> 01:05:55,610 stop now why it has to stop is because 1441 01:05:59,530 --> 01:05:57,470 I'll give you a real good one you've got 1442 01:06:01,210 --> 01:05:59,540 the Empire State Building you got the 1443 01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:01,220 Chrysler Building you've got the One 1444 01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:02,750 World Trade Center tower 1445 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:07,510 they all have needlenose high powered 1446 01:06:13,870 --> 01:06:10,610 antennas on their roofs New Yorkers walk 1447 01:06:15,210 --> 01:06:13,880 around trim all in a daze like they're 1448 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:15,220 zombies 1449 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:21,170 think about it thank you I'm not I'm not 1450 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:23,210 sure that I could agree with you there 1451 01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:25,610 they're not the people that I know are 1452 01:06:30,580 --> 01:06:28,940 awful hardworking and hustling types of 1453 01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:30,590 individuals who are artists and 1454 01:06:36,190 --> 01:06:34,310 musicians and and book authors although 1455 01:06:42,850 --> 01:06:36,200 I certainly could use a little bit a 1456 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:42,860 shot of energy from from time to from 1457 01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:46,850 time to time but I'm not talking about 1458 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:48,950 ginseng I'm talking about people going 1459 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:53,090 ahead and using electromagnets frequency 1460 01:06:59,770 --> 01:06:55,250 energy against people who don't drink 1461 01:07:02,440 --> 01:06:59,780 the kool-aid how do you know how do you 1462 01:07:05,110 --> 01:07:02,450 know if you're under I would call that 1463 01:07:08,610 --> 01:07:05,120 under the general category of a big 1464 01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:08,620 under psychic attack or mental attack or 1465 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:11,750 I'll give you one one one ways you know 1466 01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:14,930 is if you have dreams and planting in 1467 01:07:18,010 --> 01:07:16,310 your head when you're sleeping or have 1468 01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:18,020 thoughts about wanting to hurt yourself 1469 01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:20,060 or all of a sudden you're watching a 1470 01:07:24,190 --> 01:07:22,190 program and you want to cry where you 1471 01:07:26,020 --> 01:07:24,200 said or you're upset or you just get 1472 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:26,030 pissed off and you're angry so they'll 1473 01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:27,410 go ahead and change all your emotions 1474 01:07:32,110 --> 01:07:30,110 this is so explaining your book yeah the 1475 01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:32,120 Philadelphia Experiment and what they've 1476 01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:33,830 done but they perfected this to the 1477 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:36,350 point where a lot of people walking 1478 01:07:40,330 --> 01:07:38,690 around have these handheld devices and 1479 01:07:41,980 --> 01:07:40,340 they're hurting people unbeknownst to 1480 01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,990 the people that are that are out there 1481 01:07:47,180 --> 01:07:43,680 walking the streets or in their 1482 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:47,190 for that matter what can you say and 1483 01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:49,890 help devices what what are they what are 1484 01:07:55,130 --> 01:07:52,110 they made of I mean what do they do 1485 01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:55,140 exactly well I know what they look like 1486 01:08:00,050 --> 01:07:57,810 it looks like an iPad or an iPod yeah I 1487 01:08:01,580 --> 01:08:00,060 mean they make it look like an Apple 1488 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:01,590 device is what they make it look like 1489 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:03,690 that I dunno I was almost tempted to 1490 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:05,370 grab the one from the guy cause she just 1491 01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:07,650 take it from him but I didn't want to do 1492 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:08,820 it because I'm thinking if I do that 1493 01:08:12,290 --> 01:08:10,050 they call the police and all of a sudden 1494 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:12,300 yes it's a hate hate crime against the 1495 01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,890 Jew whereas this one's you against the 1496 01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:16,080 other as I said you know what I said I 1497 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:18,120 got to leave that alone but I just know 1498 01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:21,330 that this is what they're doing I even 1499 01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:23,430 confronted the guy in and I went out 1500 01:08:26,510 --> 01:08:25,080 confirm I says why are you doing this to 1501 01:08:29,270 --> 01:08:26,520 me all of a sudden he goes you're making 1502 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:29,280 a big mistake and above my head Jim was 1503 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:31,170 the black helicopter at the moment I 1504 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:32,850 confronted him and then two g's walked 1505 01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:35,010 out on the street I guess they thought I 1506 01:08:38,210 --> 01:08:36,870 was gonna like hit him or something 1507 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:38,220 which I would never do I wouldn't get 1508 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:40,410 down to you know a level like that but I 1509 01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:42,090 realized they were trying to bait me and 1510 01:08:47,810 --> 01:08:45,510 set me up and then a couple weeks ago I 1511 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:47,820 see him and he yells with me I'm gonna 1512 01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:50,850 get you um ever I go you know what I 1513 01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:53,580 said you're threatening me so we know 1514 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:55,350 what I did I made a joke of us I went I 1515 01:08:59,570 --> 01:08:57,210 got a friend who's a rabbi who I built a 1516 01:09:03,770 --> 01:08:59,580 website for I brought the rabbi over to 1517 01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:03,780 his house to talk to him and I gotta get 1518 01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:05,640 some religion in this man so the rabbi 1519 01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:08,460 and I go over to his place and as we get 1520 01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:10,110 to his floor he comes out of the 1521 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:11,970 elevator and he runs into the elevator 1522 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:14,970 to get past me and the rabbi he blows 1523 01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:17,970 past us I say you mr. ghost no no no 1524 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:21,420 when he ran and surround I said to him I 1525 01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:23,130 know that was there but he doesn't want 1526 01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,990 the competition so I even cold like the 1527 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:26,880 building management and I told the 1528 01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,170 building management they says well if 1529 01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:30,480 he's doing that you better run so I said 1530 01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:32,340 no no I'm not gonna run I said he made 1531 01:09:37,670 --> 01:09:34,980 the biggest mistake I am a moviemaker 1532 01:09:38,690 --> 01:09:37,680 I can make a youtube movie and like a 1533 01:09:41,170 --> 01:09:38,700 New York minute 1534 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:41,180 and I just tell like it is you know what 1535 01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:43,290 people will say you know stopping 1536 01:09:46,610 --> 01:09:45,750 wouldn't say this if it wasn't true I'm 1537 01:09:48,980 --> 01:09:46,620 not crying wolf 1538 01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,990 I got wounds on my body that I've been 1539 01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:51,600 here you know I have discoloration on my 1540 01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:54,390 face and and my voice is raspy as you 1541 01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:56,370 can probably hear but enough is enough 1542 01:10:00,020 --> 01:09:57,360 but 1543 01:10:01,630 --> 01:10:00,030 I plan to on my website share more with 1544 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:01,640 people about what's really happening 1545 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:05,130 because I've had enough of people giving 1546 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:07,290 you know criminals a pass 1547 01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,690 well letting people get away with these 1548 01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:11,280 things because there's a lot of people 1549 01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,260 as you know that come out and say things 1550 01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:15,360 next thing you know never to be heard 1551 01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,400 from all the sudden he mysteriously die 1552 01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,860 they go oh he just had a early heart 1553 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:21,360 attack or whatever well the guy was 15 1554 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:23,250 years old so how does that happen so 1555 01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:25,170 you've got to realize there were people 1556 01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:27,900 out there that don't want this existing 1557 01:10:34,730 --> 01:10:31,470 paradigm to change and I would just we 1558 01:10:37,940 --> 01:10:34,740 would just working on a new book here 1559 01:10:40,610 --> 01:10:37,950 about the UFOs and the hostility factor 1560 01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:40,620 and we have a section in there on this 1561 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:45,560 fellow you know a Mack spear who was in 1562 01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:48,330 Poland and all of a sudden he started 1563 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:52,140 regurgitate black substance or goo and 1564 01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:55,370 then he died under strange circumstances 1565 01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:00,960 and the Polish authorities who did an 1566 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:03,720 autopsy on him or something of that sort 1567 01:11:09,650 --> 01:11:07,170 said that he died of natural causes but 1568 01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:09,660 his mother said well that's absolutely 1569 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:13,230 impossible and they bought my body Sam 1570 01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:14,730 I'm gonna have to enter you have to 1571 01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:15,960 interrupt you here because we have to go 1572 01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:17,790 to our bottom of the hour break so we'll 1573 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:20,460 continue this conversation for more on 1574 01:11:32,489 --> 01:11:23,010 exploring the bizarre stay tuned well go 1575 01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:36,640 now back to exploring the bazaars with 1576 01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:39,230 two of the most electrifying researchers 1577 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:42,230 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 1578 01:11:50,379 --> 01:11:48,170 Rebecca Lee panting sports all right Tim 1579 01:11:52,989 --> 01:11:50,389 here we are at the bottom of the our 1580 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:52,999 last segment of the program so I want to 1581 01:12:00,339 --> 01:11:56,090 ask Jason well I've got the chance now 1582 01:12:01,899 --> 01:12:00,349 Jason I live in Indiana and as you well 1583 01:12:06,609 --> 01:12:01,909 know I mean you know we have a really 1584 01:12:08,379 --> 01:12:06,619 rich history here of a lot of especially 1585 01:12:12,910 --> 01:12:08,389 in the 19th century of you know 1586 01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:12,920 archeological digs uncovering the bones 1587 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:15,230 of the of the tall ones so I mean they 1588 01:12:21,689 --> 01:12:18,170 were mentioned quite a bit and local 1589 01:12:26,830 --> 01:12:21,699 newspapers and in archeological 1590 01:12:30,819 --> 01:12:26,840 magazines and and reviews but the 1591 01:12:32,649 --> 01:12:30,829 critics the you know the skeptics of all 1592 01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:32,659 of this say well you know all this 1593 01:12:37,149 --> 01:12:34,369 survey it didn't happen it was just 1594 01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:37,159 hoaxes you know if they if they were 1595 01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:40,550 real where are the bones yes where are 1596 01:12:46,209 --> 01:12:44,030 the bones well first of all Indiana is 1597 01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:46,219 one of the most important states in 1598 01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,320 researching this subject I think in our 1599 01:12:54,189 --> 01:12:50,480 book it has a prominent place in at 1600 01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,199 least three different chapters the the 1601 01:13:00,609 --> 01:12:56,719 tall ones were in Indiana for thousands 1602 01:13:02,770 --> 01:13:00,619 of years we have many instances of the 1603 01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:02,780 large skeletons found in the tombs of 1604 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:05,510 the Glacial cane culture in Indiana 1605 01:13:17,979 --> 01:13:10,210 which dates from about 1300 BC to around 1606 01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:17,989 500 BC between 300 BC and 500 AD the 1607 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:20,449 Edina and Hopewell mouths and earthworks 1608 01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:24,530 in Indiana including the Edina mounds in 1609 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:28,369 the whitewater valley yielded many large 1610 01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:33,920 skeletal remains so in terms of the 1611 01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,550 bones 1612 01:13:43,180 --> 01:13:38,280 to begin with the Smithsonian 1613 01:13:47,649 --> 01:13:43,190 Institution does not have a warehouse 1614 01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:47,659 housing the bones of these individuals a 1615 01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:51,960 part of our research involved actually 1616 01:13:56,959 --> 01:13:54,170 getting access to the manuscript 1617 01:13:59,569 --> 01:13:56,969 journals the handwritten journals of the 1618 01:14:03,620 --> 01:13:59,579 Smithsonian agents who did excavate the 1619 01:14:08,540 --> 01:14:03,630 large skeletons in the late 1800s and in 1620 01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:08,550 many of these manuscripts the agents 1621 01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:12,239 mentioned that the the bones were 1622 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,510 destroyed shortly after excavation in 1623 01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,280 some cases they didn't know how to 1624 01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:20,880 properly dig the bones out of the fire 1625 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:23,820 hardened clay tombs that they had been 1626 01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,570 buried in and the bones were destroyed 1627 01:14:32,299 --> 01:14:29,159 and even when the Smithsonian did 1628 01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:32,309 receive bones from many of these sites 1629 01:14:41,569 --> 01:14:36,719 it was just the skull or a portion of 1630 01:14:45,589 --> 01:14:41,579 the skeleton that being said we have 1631 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:45,599 found several places where the bones of 1632 01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:48,690 the tall ones of at least a few of them 1633 01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:54,480 are probably still preserved but none of 1634 01:15:00,620 --> 01:14:58,050 those places are directly affiliated as 1635 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:00,630 an extension of the Smithsonian 1636 01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:05,570 Institution what I will say also is that 1637 01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:08,369 several of the archaeologists and 1638 01:15:13,100 --> 01:15:09,960 antiquarians that unearthed these 1639 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:13,110 skeletons photographed them for example 1640 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:17,130 if you were to look at mounds for the 1641 01:15:24,169 --> 01:15:20,090 dead a book by Don dragoo published in 1642 01:15:27,220 --> 01:15:24,179 1963 there is a photograph of a of one 1643 01:15:30,859 --> 01:15:27,230 of these large skeletons in the tomb and 1644 01:15:32,839 --> 01:15:30,869 the thing about about this phenomenon is 1645 01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:32,849 there are so many fake photographs and 1646 01:15:37,359 --> 01:15:35,520 sensational stories on the internet that 1647 01:15:41,689 --> 01:15:37,369 people go into it with unrealistic 1648 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:41,699 expectations we do have in our book 1649 01:15:48,919 --> 01:15:44,730 several instances when Smithsonian 1650 01:15:49,370 --> 01:15:48,929 agents and also a an antiquarian from 1651 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:49,380 New York 1652 01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:52,650 state measure these large remains by the 1653 01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:56,280 femur this the femur measurements are 1654 01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:57,900 really important because a lot of 1655 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:00,840 skeptics today say that these people you 1656 01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:02,370 know in the 1800's didn't know how to 1657 01:16:05,959 --> 01:16:04,260 measure a skeleton well they were they 1658 01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:05,969 were measuring them with the femur bones 1659 01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:10,199 and with the femur measurements we found 1660 01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:12,030 from the Smithsonian it confirmed 1661 01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:14,070 several skeletons seven and eight feet 1662 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:16,170 between seven and eight feet in height 1663 01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:20,370 and the skeleton from New York State 1664 01:16:25,850 --> 01:16:22,920 which came from a burial mound in New 1665 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:25,860 York State if the femur measurements are 1666 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:28,290 correct for that skeleton that we found 1667 01:16:31,850 --> 01:16:30,090 in the documentation then that would 1668 01:16:36,110 --> 01:16:31,860 have been an individual around eight and 1669 01:16:41,689 --> 01:16:36,120 a half feet tall so there there are 1670 01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:41,699 bones that still exist but if we pursue 1671 01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:44,699 the idea that there is some type of 1672 01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:47,219 arcane warehouse here in the states 1673 01:16:52,129 --> 01:16:49,980 where the the the large mound builder 1674 01:16:53,629 --> 01:16:52,139 remains and other large remains from 1675 01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:53,639 this part of the country would have been 1676 01:16:59,180 --> 01:16:56,580 sort of shuttled off to we're wasting 1677 01:17:01,280 --> 01:16:59,190 our energy because that is not what 1678 01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:01,290 actually happened to the bones 1679 01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:05,120 well now has there been attempt by the 1680 01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:08,310 Smithsonian and other Institute's to 1681 01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:13,320 cover up some of this yes there there 1682 01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:18,480 has there has been the issue the issue 1683 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:23,280 in my opinion is that most of the time 1684 01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:24,570 when people talk about a Smithsonian 1685 01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:26,730 cover-up it's not placed in the proper 1686 01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:29,100 context and I can do that for you now 1687 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:31,650 if you think it would be interesting oh 1688 01:17:37,129 --> 01:17:34,050 yeah I say it would yes sure 1689 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:37,139 well first of all but no researcher is 1690 01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:39,690 perfect and this is this is just what we 1691 01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:41,670 published in our book in an 1692 01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:43,500 investigation that we did trying to 1693 01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:46,500 determine really why this subject became 1694 01:17:51,229 --> 01:17:49,920 so taboo because you know when you when 1695 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:51,239 you look at it and you look at the 1696 01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,650 evidence and what it actually is you 1697 01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:54,840 naturally wonder well why is this so 1698 01:18:00,830 --> 01:17:58,380 controversial and the only real way to 1699 01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:00,840 answer the question is to go back to 1700 01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:03,060 when the cover-up 1701 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:08,100 actually occurred so during the 1800s 1702 01:18:12,980 --> 01:18:10,530 the Smithsonian and other 1703 01:18:15,730 --> 01:18:12,990 anthropologists freely acknowledged 1704 01:18:18,650 --> 01:18:15,740 these remains you can find the 1705 01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:18,660 documentation of many of the large 1706 01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:20,820 skeletons and the Smithsonian's own 1707 01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:24,960 reports in the 1880s and 1890s 1708 01:18:34,270 --> 01:18:27,090 most of these are published on 1709 01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:34,280 archive.org but what occurred is that in 1710 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:39,060 1910 a man named alias hurdle it became 1711 01:18:46,150 --> 01:18:42,570 the head of the department of 1712 01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:46,160 anthropology at the Smithsonian and 1713 01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:50,250 heard litsa who is a an anthropologist 1714 01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:54,480 from Czechoslovakia or littke became the 1715 01:19:01,700 --> 01:18:58,920 first Giants denier of influence heard 1716 01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,710 lishka attacked the idea that these 1717 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:03,360 remains had ever been found in 1718 01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:06,330 interviews and even in most of his 1719 01:19:11,180 --> 01:19:08,520 scientific papers he would insert some 1720 01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:11,190 passage somewhere talking about how 1721 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:14,280 foolish the idea of of these large 1722 01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:17,370 skeletons was and that's very 1723 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:19,080 interesting because by the time he 1724 01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:20,850 became curator the Department of 1725 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:23,510 Anthropology the Smithsonian itself had 1726 01:19:30,230 --> 01:19:26,610 had documented many of these own remains 1727 01:19:32,570 --> 01:19:30,240 in their own files and under the 1728 01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:32,580 guidance of her lishka the Department of 1729 01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:35,340 Anthropology engaged in full-blown 1730 01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:38,640 denial of the existence of the gigantic 1731 01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:41,760 skeletons unearthed by its own agents in 1732 01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:44,640 the late 1800s and the key to 1733 01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:46,440 understanding this the key to 1734 01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,380 understanding her lishka I believe lies 1735 01:19:54,890 --> 01:19:52,080 in the fact that he was a prominent 1736 01:19:58,820 --> 01:19:54,900 member of the American eugenics society 1737 01:20:02,330 --> 01:19:58,830 I don't know how much you guys know 1738 01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:02,340 about the American eugenics society hmm 1739 01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:05,310 but it was really the genesis of what 1740 01:20:09,740 --> 01:20:07,440 people today called the New World Order 1741 01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:09,750 right yeah and they Hitler was a big 1742 01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,750 believer in genetics was he not all 1743 01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:14,880 right we'll get to him in a moment yeah 1744 01:20:16,350 --> 01:20:15,480 okay 1745 01:20:18,750 --> 01:20:16,360 the 1746 01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:18,760 American eugenics society was funded by 1747 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:21,070 the Rockefeller Carnegie and Harriman 1748 01:20:27,930 --> 01:20:24,730 families the Society wanted to eradicate 1749 01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:27,940 the poor minorities and every bloodline 1750 01:20:33,930 --> 01:20:30,040 in the United States that was not of 1751 01:20:36,990 --> 01:20:33,940 Nordic or Anglo Saxon descent the 1752 01:20:39,859 --> 01:20:37,000 program included the elimination of 1753 01:20:44,430 --> 01:20:39,869 Native Americans african-americans Jews 1754 01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,440 Hispanics and even Caucasians who were 1755 01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:46,719 of southern Italian and East European 1756 01:20:52,979 --> 01:20:50,440 descent also on their list for 1757 01:20:54,899 --> 01:20:52,989 termination was any family that had 1758 01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:54,909 experienced more than one generation of 1759 01:21:01,470 --> 01:20:58,270 poverty and in order to achieve their 1760 01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:01,480 goals the American eugenics society 1761 01:21:07,919 --> 01:21:05,590 needed anthropology so what they did was 1762 01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:07,929 they fully staffed the American 1763 01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:09,670 Association for the Advancement of 1764 01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:12,940 science and the Smithsonian with you 1765 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:16,360 Genesis and those eugenicist 1766 01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:19,770 then set about rewriting prehistory and 1767 01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:22,540 anthropology to create a type of 1768 01:21:29,370 --> 01:21:26,130 hierarchy of human race with the 1769 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:29,380 ancestry of the races they considered 1770 01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:32,170 pure at the top and the races that they 1771 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:35,980 despised at the bottom now what's very 1772 01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:37,810 important about this is one of the 1773 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:40,860 criteria that made one's own self 1774 01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:44,020 related to a superior race was having 1775 01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:47,710 ancestors of gigantic stature and this 1776 01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:49,380 is something that's been largely 1777 01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:52,960 overlooked or simply not found in many 1778 01:22:01,109 --> 01:21:57,780 of the documentation of this group the 1779 01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:01,119 new genesis in America and Europe were 1780 01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:03,780 completely obsessed with ancient Giants 1781 01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:07,510 you can look at the writings of Houston 1782 01:22:13,229 --> 01:22:10,239 Stewart Chamberlain who inspired Hitler 1783 01:22:16,649 --> 01:22:13,239 you can look at Madison grant the great 1784 01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:16,659 American eugenicist you can look at 1785 01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:19,690 their writings and they always associate 1786 01:22:25,379 --> 01:22:22,030 their own ancestors who they called 1787 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:25,389 Aryans or Nordics with ancient giants 1788 01:22:30,330 --> 01:22:28,090 including the ancient Giants of the 1789 01:22:35,220 --> 01:22:30,340 Bible the Canaanites and the 1790 01:22:37,890 --> 01:22:35,230 my rights so in the United States the 1791 01:22:40,589 --> 01:22:37,900 existence of these anthropologically 1792 01:22:42,689 --> 01:22:40,599 superior people in Native American 1793 01:22:45,229 --> 01:22:42,699 ancestry that have been recovered from 1794 01:22:47,609 --> 01:22:45,239 the ancient tombs posed a problem 1795 01:22:49,649 --> 01:22:47,619 because if they were going to eliminate 1796 01:22:52,890 --> 01:22:49,659 the Native Americans and they wanted to 1797 01:22:55,589 --> 01:22:52,900 eliminate them a hundred percent the 1798 01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:55,599 large remains in their own ancestry was 1799 01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:58,090 something of an issue because that would 1800 01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:00,300 mean that they had ancestors who were 1801 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:03,610 anthropologically equal to that of the 1802 01:23:10,589 --> 01:23:06,610 eugenicist themselves so how did they 1803 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:10,599 deal with it issue well what they did at 1804 01:23:15,810 --> 01:23:13,570 this point in time of the Smithsonian 1805 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:15,820 had enormous influence over the 1806 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:18,130 university circuit and this is really 1807 01:23:24,649 --> 01:23:20,290 the genesis of what we today call the 1808 01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:24,659 peer review process and they edited the 1809 01:23:30,839 --> 01:23:28,210 existence of basically any skeleton that 1810 01:23:33,419 --> 01:23:30,849 was more than six feet or six and a half 1811 01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:33,429 feet tall out of their own documentation 1812 01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:35,260 they refused to acknowledge them and 1813 01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:36,790 they refused to acknowledge them to the 1814 01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:42,310 present day but again this doesn't make 1815 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:44,050 sense unless we put it in the proper 1816 01:23:48,899 --> 01:23:46,090 historical context in which this 1817 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:48,909 happened it happened at a time when 1818 01:23:54,959 --> 01:23:51,310 archeology and anthropology were being 1819 01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:54,969 used in America and Europe as an excuse 1820 01:24:03,180 --> 01:23:58,500 to decide who deserve to live and die 1821 01:24:04,890 --> 01:24:03,190 based on a racial hierarchy at the same 1822 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:04,900 time that this was happening in the 1823 01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:08,290 United States the early precursors of 1824 01:24:13,020 --> 01:24:10,690 the Nazi movement who were also funded 1825 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:13,030 by the Rockefeller Foundation the 1826 01:24:21,930 --> 01:24:17,489 Rockefeller family they were busy 1827 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:21,940 forming a similar categorization for the 1828 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:23,770 ancient cultures in Europe in fact there 1829 01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:26,290 were two major archaeological divisions 1830 01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:29,500 of the SS and the purpose of those 1831 01:24:33,930 --> 01:24:31,510 archaeological divisions one of which 1832 01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:33,940 was headed up by Heinrich Himmler was to 1833 01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:36,790 find evidence of superior human beings 1834 01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:39,280 at archaeological sites where they 1835 01:24:44,010 --> 01:24:41,590 believe prehistoric Germanic people had 1836 01:24:46,830 --> 01:24:44,020 been buried so there was an obsession 1837 01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:46,840 with determining whose ancestors were a 1838 01:24:53,670 --> 01:24:50,590 part of what they believed in their 1839 01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:53,680 sickness to be an ancient super race 1840 01:25:02,160 --> 01:24:56,530 that eventually became known to world 1841 01:25:04,740 --> 01:25:02,170 infamy as the Aryans hmm you you ought 1842 01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:04,750 to have you done any actual right right 1843 01:25:09,930 --> 01:25:07,600 II got this yes this is in this is all 1844 01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:09,940 in in my book that I just that we just 1845 01:25:14,150 --> 01:25:11,110 published in December 1846 01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:14,160 there's an entire PostScript that covers 1847 01:25:20,690 --> 01:25:17,440 everything that I just mentioned and it 1848 01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:20,700 also covers a lot more territory we have 1849 01:25:27,570 --> 01:25:24,570 profiles of all the major players in 1850 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:27,580 American and European eugenics in the 1851 01:25:36,510 --> 01:25:31,930 book and we actually found clothes from 1852 01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:36,520 those very people which confirm what I 1853 01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:38,590 just shared with you can concerning 1854 01:25:44,010 --> 01:25:40,450 their belief systems so this is their 1855 01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:44,020 words not mine you know at tip it it 1856 01:25:48,980 --> 01:25:46,150 dawns on me now that we actually found 1857 01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:48,990 an old manuscript and you did a cover 1858 01:25:54,090 --> 01:25:51,640 for it and I can't remember the title of 1859 01:25:56,580 --> 01:25:54,100 the books but it was on it was written 1860 01:26:01,860 --> 01:25:56,590 in Germany I guess around the the time 1861 01:26:04,890 --> 01:26:01,870 of the Second World War just before and 1862 01:26:07,140 --> 01:26:04,900 does that ring a bell yeah it does and I 1863 01:26:11,670 --> 01:26:07,150 can't I can't remember what the title 1864 01:26:13,740 --> 01:26:11,680 was we I don't even think that we have a 1865 01:26:18,450 --> 01:26:13,750 copy of the book you know we put it out 1866 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:18,460 as kind of a curiosity piece because the 1867 01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:20,530 topic from a scientific point of view 1868 01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:24,430 was very popular here from the turn of 1869 01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:29,110 the the century up until I guess the you 1870 01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:32,130 know World War two or shortly thereafter 1871 01:26:38,730 --> 01:26:35,320 there were a lot of adherence to the 1872 01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:38,740 that whole concept and in theory but 1873 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:40,450 can't remember what the title of the 1874 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:42,610 book is and I think the printer printer 1875 01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:44,890 went out of business a long time ago 1876 01:26:49,860 --> 01:26:47,950 that did that one and so it's unless I 1877 01:26:53,790 --> 01:26:49,870 can buy one of my own books on eBay has 1878 01:26:55,710 --> 01:26:53,800 gone into obscurity well yeah it was 1879 01:26:57,929 --> 01:26:55,720 like that remember the title you can't 1880 01:26:59,759 --> 01:26:57,939 can't find the book even 1881 01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:59,769 well you know it's interesting though 1882 01:27:07,219 --> 01:27:01,840 because you know what he was talking 1883 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:07,229 about the the the groups of Nazi 1884 01:27:13,409 --> 01:27:10,090 archaeologists who went you know like 1885 01:27:16,109 --> 01:27:13,419 across the globe looking for evidence to 1886 01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:16,119 to back up their whole you know Aryan 1887 01:27:19,379 --> 01:27:18,070 superior race type of theory 1888 01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:19,389 I mean we've written about that 1889 01:27:26,069 --> 01:27:23,590 extensively especially when they went to 1890 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:26,079 places say like it on Nepal and Tibet 1891 01:27:32,279 --> 01:27:30,010 and possibly even Antarctica you know 1892 01:27:34,890 --> 01:27:32,289 looking for say like you know shangri-la 1893 01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:34,900 or possibly you know entrances to the 1894 01:27:40,049 --> 01:27:37,360 Inner Earth to try to find that route 1895 01:27:43,049 --> 01:27:40,059 race that they believed existed that's 1896 01:27:44,819 --> 01:27:43,059 what this was all about the Nazis may 1897 01:27:47,429 --> 01:27:44,829 have called it the route race based on 1898 01:27:49,589 --> 01:27:47,439 Helena Blavatsky and several other 1899 01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:49,599 people's work but here in the United 1900 01:27:54,779 --> 01:27:52,090 States you had people like Madison Grant 1901 01:27:55,919 --> 01:27:54,789 who simply rebranded them the Nordics 1902 01:27:59,489 --> 01:27:55,929 it's very important that people 1903 01:28:02,659 --> 01:27:59,499 understand that it was translated into 1904 01:28:04,979 --> 01:28:02,669 an American forum and the 1905 01:28:07,799 --> 01:28:04,989 anthropologists were so successful at 1906 01:28:11,359 --> 01:28:07,809 lobbying the US government to pass 1907 01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:11,369 policies based on this idea that a 1908 01:28:18,959 --> 01:28:13,840 barbaric period of American history 1909 01:28:22,649 --> 01:28:18,969 began over 60,000 people in 27 US states 1910 01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:22,659 were legally sterilized some medical 1911 01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:26,110 institutions were advised to use lethal 1912 01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:29,110 neglect to to basically murder patients 1913 01:28:34,319 --> 01:28:30,489 who didn't have the right genetic 1914 01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:34,329 pedigree well we have found in our own 1915 01:28:42,509 --> 01:28:38,320 research into the UFO phenomena that 1916 01:28:46,909 --> 01:28:42,519 there is a certainly a trace or more 1917 01:28:50,219 --> 01:28:46,919 than actual a trace of Nazi and Aryan 1918 01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:50,229 philosophy that has filtered into the 1919 01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:52,510 into the year subject you've got of 1920 01:28:58,290 --> 01:28:55,090 course the the Aryan looking Nordics 1921 01:29:02,129 --> 01:28:58,300 that's supposedly land and intermingle 1922 01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,139 with our society but some of the society 1923 01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:04,719 that they they philosophically the 1924 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:08,249 spouse is very similar to that of the 1925 01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:11,530 Nazi philosophy and others of it isn't 1926 01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:11,920 what 1927 01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:14,770 makes it a little bit more complex and 1928 01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:17,650 all but some people don't realize that 1929 01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:20,520 Elise in the early days of a UFO 1930 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:25,570 contacts that a large number of the the 1931 01:29:30,330 --> 01:29:27,850 crew members of these craft I talked 1932 01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:30,340 with a German accent er talked amongst 1933 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:32,860 themselves action and actually in the 1934 01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:36,250 German and Tim was it at that Barney 1935 01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,770 Hill when he looked up into the that 1936 01:29:44,850 --> 01:29:41,440 object in the in the sky there and in 1937 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:44,860 the New England thought that the the 1938 01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:47,290 head fellow on board that he can see 1939 01:29:52,830 --> 01:29:49,570 through the port look like a Nazi oh 1940 01:29:55,380 --> 01:29:52,840 yeah yeah he he said in fact that the 1941 01:29:59,070 --> 01:29:55,390 the guy looking back down at him was 1942 01:30:01,320 --> 01:29:59,080 wearing a kind of like a German type of 1943 01:30:05,939 --> 01:30:01,330 leather military outfit you know with 1944 01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:05,949 the hat and everything you know 1945 01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:07,810 yeah you have the stories that you've 1946 01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:10,870 written about the Tim down in the the 1947 01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:13,960 polar regions were supposedly the 1948 01:30:20,820 --> 01:30:17,400 Germans were in exile and there's a 1949 01:30:23,550 --> 01:30:20,830 group of giants that are supposed to be 1950 01:30:25,290 --> 01:30:23,560 situated there I guess inside the the 1951 01:30:27,650 --> 01:30:25,300 earth of course it's all kind of very 1952 01:30:31,340 --> 01:30:27,660 speculative and you kind of join it draw 1953 01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:31,350 draw your own conclusions on on this but 1954 01:30:39,150 --> 01:30:34,030 it certainly does tie in and it was a 1955 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:39,160 fascinating you know itself if I could 1956 01:30:45,030 --> 01:30:42,010 interject for a second Tim yeah the 1957 01:30:48,060 --> 01:30:45,040 smoky guard which here's the story all 1958 01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:48,070 law for Jansen is polish yeah we have we 1959 01:30:51,930 --> 01:30:50,110 got it we have a 400-page addition to 1960 01:30:54,180 --> 01:30:51,940 that one out yeah well one of the things 1961 01:30:57,090 --> 01:30:54,190 you need to do is and see my research on 1962 01:31:00,150 --> 01:30:57,100 that because I I was able to find the 1963 01:31:01,979 --> 01:31:00,160 captain Angus Macpherson who was born 1964 01:31:04,350 --> 01:31:01,989 and died in Scotland who actually picked 1965 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:04,360 up hold off chance and I was able to 1966 01:31:08,970 --> 01:31:06,250 validate all that Jantzen living in 1967 01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:08,980 Chicago and then moving to Los Angeles 1968 01:31:15,090 --> 01:31:11,110 before he died and telling the story to 1969 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:15,100 Willis George Emerson so he did exist 1970 01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,010 and I was able to prove the man's 1971 01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:20,080 existence so if there's something people 1972 01:31:24,430 --> 01:31:22,449 go on my son Tony says site to actually 1973 01:31:26,380 --> 01:31:24,440 see because there is an 1974 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:26,390 earth hollow opening if you go around 1975 01:31:30,939 --> 01:31:28,730 bathroom base some of the deepest waters 1976 01:31:34,330 --> 01:31:30,949 in the world with the strongest currents 1977 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:34,340 and I think like we even in a 1960s go 1978 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:37,250 for nuclear warheads into that waters to 1979 01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:38,810 do what and then they spent the next 1980 01:31:44,170 --> 01:31:42,080 nine months going down with you know 1981 01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:44,180 ships there and going down with 1982 01:31:50,380 --> 01:31:47,810 submersibles other devices to try to see 1983 01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:50,390 if they can penetrate that area of the 1984 01:31:55,570 --> 01:31:53,120 world so there is things going on well I 1985 01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:55,580 think we I think we publish more books 1986 01:32:00,340 --> 01:31:58,250 on the inner Earth's and the Hollow 1987 01:32:03,220 --> 01:32:00,350 Earth mystery and the in the shaver 1988 01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:03,230 mystery than anyone I we probably have 1989 01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:04,610 what Tim close to thirty different 1990 01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:06,610 titles 1991 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:10,910 yeah we're we're coming towards the the 1992 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:12,650 end of the midnight hour is approaching 1993 01:32:18,130 --> 01:32:16,010 here on the East Coast and we want to 1994 01:32:22,510 --> 01:32:18,140 take it around the table one more time 1995 01:32:25,959 --> 01:32:22,520 and have our guest of the evening they 1996 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:25,969 tell us where the listeners can get 1997 01:32:31,150 --> 01:32:29,570 ahold of them and find out more so why 1998 01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:31,160 don't we go ahead with the giants and 1999 01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:35,210 find out where the website is and what 2000 01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:39,170 the books are and how we can get more 2001 01:32:47,470 --> 01:32:42,410 information okay well my website is 2002 01:32:49,959 --> 01:32:47,480 paradigm collision comm you can actually 2003 01:32:52,180 --> 01:32:49,969 read a lot of the articles that I've 2004 01:32:55,330 --> 01:32:52,190 written and my wife Sarah is written for 2005 01:32:58,240 --> 01:32:55,340 free on the website the book is called 2006 01:33:00,939 --> 01:32:58,250 ages of the Giants a cultural history of 2007 01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:00,949 the tall ones in prehistoric America and 2008 01:33:08,979 --> 01:33:04,930 you can get it on lulu.com that's lu-lu 2009 01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:08,989 calm and I'm also on Facebook if anyone 2010 01:33:15,209 --> 01:33:10,610 would like to connect if anyone's still 2011 01:33:17,650 --> 01:33:15,219 there in light of the Zuckerberg Fiasco 2012 01:33:19,420 --> 01:33:17,660 what I what I want to know is what 2013 01:33:23,260 --> 01:33:19,430 information do they have on me that 2014 01:33:26,860 --> 01:33:23,270 everybody doesn't know already probably 2015 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:26,870 your shoe size well actually you know 2016 01:33:32,590 --> 01:33:29,090 that they probably do because I try I 2017 01:33:35,140 --> 01:33:32,600 order all my shoes from Amazon and once 2018 01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:35,150 you buy something which is kind of kind 2019 01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:36,650 of a peculiar saying when you buy 2020 01:33:39,970 --> 01:33:38,300 something that's when they 2021 01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:39,980 try to sell the item that you've already 2022 01:33:44,830 --> 01:33:42,530 bought to you III they've had they've 2023 01:33:47,049 --> 01:33:44,840 got it somehow they have it backwards 2024 01:33:52,330 --> 01:33:47,059 anyway how do we find out about the 2025 01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:52,340 Philadelphia Experiment and the universe 2026 01:33:57,490 --> 01:33:55,250 and and your your information well it's 2027 01:34:01,359 --> 01:33:57,500 pretty easy it's go to my web sites in 2028 01:34:03,879 --> 01:34:01,369 Doney says this I end uni s ays calm 2029 01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:03,889 I've got hundreds of videos they're also 2030 01:34:09,490 --> 01:34:06,770 Hollow Earth webs calm I've got three 2031 01:34:11,649 --> 01:34:09,500 books on my website below the radar if 2032 01:34:13,569 --> 01:34:11,659 you want to know what Edward Snowden 2033 01:34:15,970 --> 01:34:13,579 didn't tell you please get the free book 2034 01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:15,980 I have books there to help America wake 2035 01:34:20,500 --> 01:34:18,170 up and to know what's really going on 2036 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:20,510 because at this point you know Jim the 2037 01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:22,610 mind is like a parachute it only works 2038 01:34:26,979 --> 01:34:24,380 if it's open but I can't give anybody a 2039 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:26,989 pass just because they're saying you and 2040 01:34:32,589 --> 01:34:29,090 they have a degree and they they get 2041 01:34:34,990 --> 01:34:32,599 paid to lie well I don't know there's so 2042 01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,000 much going on here I you know everybody 2043 01:34:39,939 --> 01:34:37,280 has their own opinions on the political 2044 01:34:43,649 --> 01:34:39,949 was seen there today nobody seems to 2045 01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:43,659 take a a neutral a seat any longer and 2046 01:34:47,609 --> 01:34:45,650 Tim what are you going to be up to oh 2047 01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:47,619 you know what I wanted to do though is 2048 01:34:55,780 --> 01:34:51,199 dedicate this show to Andre the Giant 2049 01:35:00,250 --> 01:34:55,790 speaking of real Giants his documentary 2050 01:35:02,649 --> 01:35:00,260 about his life I just previewed on HBO 2051 01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:02,659 and it's very good I saw it the other 2052 01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:05,840 night and it made me laugh and made me a 2053 01:35:13,780 --> 01:35:10,150 cry one of the great sportsmen and 2054 01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:13,790 entertainers of all time next to you and 2055 01:35:20,799 --> 01:35:17,570 I Tim now Troy alright well thanks 2056 01:35:23,140 --> 01:35:20,809 everyone and good night Tina good night 2057 01:35:28,309 --> 01:35:23,150 Peter good night Carol tonight Helen 2058 01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:30,739 you've been listening to exploring the 2059 01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:34,739 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley aunty 2060 01:35:40,879 --> 01:35:38,010 Swartz they're taking back the night by 2061 01:35:43,429 --> 01:35:40,889 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 2062 01:35:47,239 --> 01:35:43,439 search of the truly bizarre and totally 2063 01:35:49,779 --> 01:35:47,249 unexplained with you as their combined 2064 01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:49,789 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 2065 01:35:57,890 --> 01:35:54,239 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 2066 01:36:01,009 --> 01:35:57,900 radio for more information on exploring 2067 01:36:04,219 --> 01:36:01,019 the bazaar and hosts Timothy Beckley and 2068 01:36:07,310 --> 01:36:04,229 Tim Swartz check out there k cor digital 2069 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:07,320 radio network follow their YouTube 2070 01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:13,530 channel @m r UFO 1100 exploring the